So the NCAA spends 2 + years investigating them and slaps them with the "Lack of instatutional control" label.....so what does UM do ? They are prepairing a 300 motion to dismiss the case.....This should be entertaining!!! Silly canes. They think they can cheat there butts off for 10 years and get off on a technicality. Hope this goes to court and drags out for another 2 years!!
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They will get off with a slap on the wrist. within a few yrs it will happen again.
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I don't think they will get hamered but i also don't think it will be slap on the wrist. I say 1 more bowl ban and 25-30 ships. There is just to much evidence for it to be a slap on the wrist. Thats why UM is trying to dissmis the case...because they know the penalty won't be a slap based on the NOL that they received. Um is going to act like this is a court case and that the NCAA tainted the investigation.
The NCAA is going to receive the 300 page document and say..." ahh i see...OK....mmmm....very interesting.....good point...." then they will throw it in the trash and say....now lets proceed with the sanctions. Take care and good luck see you guys in a few years.
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
I don't think they will get hamered but i also don't think it will be slap on the wrist. I say 1 more bowl ban and 25-30 ships. There is just to much evidence for it to be a slap on the wrist. Thats why UM is trying to dissmis the case...because they know the penalty won't be a slap based on the NOL that they received. Um is going to act like this is a court case and that the NCAA tainted the investigation.
The NCAA is going to receive the 300 page document and say..." ahh i see...OK....mmmm....very interesting.....good point...." then they will throw it in the trash and say....now lets proceed with the sanctions. Take care and good luck see you guys in a few years.
I don't know. I think scUM is going to say they have 'suffered enough' and not go along with any other penalties. Especially another bowl/conference championship game ban. I could say them saying 'ok' to a few scholarships, but that is about it. The NCAA totally muffed this one. scUM caught a break, although they have gotten some bad pub over the past few years. |
The NCAA already dissmissed the 20% of the evidence they could not use. Its not Miami's choice weather or not to except the sanctions. All UM can do is either take the sanctions or take it to court. Miami knows that even if they take it to court it will be another 1 or 2 before this is settled. Thats why i think they are trying to dissmiss the case. The NCAA is not going to get pushed around on this one. NCAA may have had some bad pub out there but Miami's bad pub is far worse. No way they let Miami act like the victim when they have 2+ years worth of evidence against them. Thats like OJ trying to sue the LAPD for even arresting him. Everybody knows UM is guilty of cheating. Hell even Miami admitted to it by self-sanctions. They just think that the self-imposed sanctions are enough. UM is 2 time offender. If you add the LUKE years with the SHAPIRO years that program has cheated for over 20+ years!!!!! IF SMU never had happened Miami would be on the verge of the death penalty.
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Hmmm, let's see...
The lead investigator and the VP of Enforcement were both fired, people all over the country are calling for Mark Emmert to step down, the Florida Attorney General is potentially investigating the NCAA, and the US District Attorney's office and the Florida Bar are BOTH investigating Nevin Shapiro's attorney for unethical conduct. People are talking about the potential dissolution of the NCAA altogether. They've lost the good faith of their member institutions and the entire country.
LINK: "They look at this as [NCAA president Mark] Emmert has absolutely decimated enforcement," the source added. "Whatever reputation we had before is now -- not in the toilet -- but it's been flushed."But yeah, Truth, you're right...UM's had more bad publicity about this than the NCAA.
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The NCAA did what it had to. Fired the people that were involved with the rules that were broken during the investigation and therefore only used 80% of the info gathered and it still was enough to slap UM with the Lack of instatutional control label.
THE NCAA INTERVIEWED PEOPLE THEY WERE NOT SUPPPOSE TO .....thats was there crime OOH NOW what terribel people!!! LOL
Miami on the other was involved with a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme thief for 10+ years!!!!!!! LOL and you want to talk about bad publicity!!! The story ran on every sports talk radio show and ESPN for hours for about a week.
Now thats funny!!!
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
The NCAA did what it had to. Fired the people that were involved with the rules that were broken during the investigation and therefore only used 80% of the info gathered and it still was enough to slap UM with the Lack of instatutional control label.
THE NCAA INTERVIEWED PEOPLE THEY WERE NOT SUPPPOSE TO .....thats was there crime OOH NOW what terribel people!!! LOL
Miami on the other was involved with a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme thief for 10+ years!!!!!!! LOL and you want to talk about bad publicity!!! The story ran on every sports talk radio show and ESPN for hours for about a week.
Now thats funny!!!
LMAO...and stories about the NCAA's BS investigation have been circulating for over a month now dude!!!
The NCAA didn't do jack. They fired a couple of underlings and left the main bosses who gave their seal of approval to the whole thing.
Their "self-investigation" of the UM investigation was a joke, and didn't even reveal that they actually went so far as to write a letter to the judge in Shapiro's case begging for leniency and stating that they might give Shapiro a job as a consultant, lol.
Bottom line is that they got snowed by a con man--Shapiro--and they believed everything he said...which, unsurprisingly, it appears you do too.
Miami got taken by that same con man. It happened to a lot of people. Miami's now seen as the victim in this whole thing, while the NCAA willingly got into bed with Shapiro even after they knew he was a con man. |
Miami the victim!!! LOL good one They may be the victim for being stupid enough to get wraped up with the biggest jock sniffer in the entire country. But then again its UM the band wagon capital of the world. No one gives a crap about the NCAA wrong doing except the crybabies at UM that got caught with there hand in the cookie jar!!!
Let me guess you probably thin that UM is going 10-2 this year and beating FSU at Doak right?
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What do think is going to happen? The NCAA is going to dismiss the case after its just sent the NOA to UM just because UM thinks its unfair???? or worried about its image? When push comes to shove UM can't hide the fact that it was in bed with Shaprio for over 10 years!! and thats a fact
How many more times is UM going to get busted for major rules violations before those knucklheads down there stop cheating or find better ways to hide your dirt????
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
What do think is going to happen? The NCAA is going to dismiss the case after its just sent the NOA to UM just because UM thinks its unfair???? or worried about its image? When push comes to shove UM can't hide the fact that it was in bed with Shaprio for over 10 years!! and thats a fact
And UM self-imposed penalties that are in line with what other programs have received for similar.
USC didn't cooperate with the investigation and got 2 years and about 20 schollies for around 350k in benefits in 2 sports and the direct involvement of agents.
UM DID cooperate with the investigation, self-imposed 2 years and an undisclosed number of schollies (speculated around 5-6 so far) for roughly half the dollar amount, also involving two sports, but over a longer amount of time.
The NCAA is going to take that into consideration and ultimately let UM off with time served and a few more (5-10) scholly losses. That's if this thing gets taken all the way to the COI in June.
UM is simply trying to end the case now, so that it doesn't drag into next football season.
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They cooperated? really
Then the ESPN story about 2 football coaches lieing to NCAA investigstors during the investigation must have been another Shapirio lie right?
USC had 1 player for 2 years maybe vs UM had at least 72 for 10+ years whats the bigger problem?
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
They cooperated? really
Then the ESPN story about 2 football coaches lieing to NCAA investigstors during the investigation must have been another Shapirio lie right?
USC had 1 player for 2 years maybe vs UM had at least 72 for 10+ years whats the bigger problem?
Yes, they cooperated fully.
They sent letters to every ex-UM player and coach asking them to cooperate with the investigation.
They suspended any current players involved and forced them to cooperate.
They turned over thousands of documents, receipts, etc.
They did everything within their ability to cooperate.
They're not responsible for a couple of ex-coaches lying. Those individuals are responsible for their own actions, especially once they left UM.
USC had 2 players (1 b-ball, 1 football) rake in 350k in extra bennies, including homes, cars, etc.
UM had 70-something players get 170k in bennies such as dinners and shoes.
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July can't get here fast enough Talk to u later bro
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I'm willing to believe the infractions really weren't a huge deal and , compared to other schools' transgressions, Miami has justified something close to "time served." However, I'm willing to bet the NCAA will not let this matter escape without some fight for extra sanctions on top of the self-imposed. So I'm betting the pride of the NCAA means they'll dish a little more out before calling it quits.
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I would never cheer for the NCAA to get FSU. Whatever. We shall see in time.
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I hear ya....its not Miami Cane football that i hate its the ignorant, chin starp wearing morans that act like THE U is there gang and throw up the U like there reppin from the hood. I have seen and come in contact with so many of these people that i am sick to my stomach when i see the orangle and green. You may be different and you sound like it, but the Miami fan base has to be the worst group of people on the sports planet!!!
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
MikePcanes
I hear ya....its not Miami Cane football that i hate its the ignorant, chin starp wearing morans that act like THE U is there gang and throw up the U like there reppin from the hood. I have seen and come in contact with so many of these people that i am sick to my stomach when i see the orangle and green. You may be different and you sound like it, but the Miami fan base has to be the worst group of people on the sports planet!!!
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
MikePcanes
I hear ya....its not Miami Cane football that i hate its the ignorant, chin starp wearing morans that act like THE U is there gang and throw up the U like there reppin from the hood. I have seen and come in contact with so many of these people that i am sick to my stomach when i see the orangle and green. You may be different and you sound like it, but the Miami fan base has to be the worst group of people on the sports planet!!!
You'd think a guy from Brooklyn who chose the screen name "The Truth" and has a parental advisory sticker for an avatar would be ok with a little arrogance and thuggery This post was edited on 3/13 1:57 PM by UMatFSU
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mat who besides thugs are ok with thuggery?
Just sayin.
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Truth,
I think your blatant hatred for Miami (i.e.: fans) has somewhat skewed your opinion of "no one gives a crap about the NCAA wrong doing except the crybabies at UM". I have read myriad articles on sports web sites and forums, newspapers, sports writers, blogs, other college football forums, etc. and found miniscule support for the NCAA in this entire debacle. I surprisingly found the majority of college football fans and sports writers agree with the strong stance Miami has taken.
The NCAA even stated that they "corroborated" Shapiro's accusations by the fact that if he stated an accusation TWICE, they considered it was corroborated! That is insane and unbelievable. The NCAA needs to be totally gutted and reorganized.
Oh well, regardless, I still like FSU and hope you have a good season, except, of course, when you play us.
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The investigation is done, the NOA has been delivered and the label of LACK OF INSTATUTIONAL CONTROL has been givin. All we do now is wait.
The NCAA doesn't give a crap about messgae boards, newspapers, or the media. They have plenty of evidence and that is why they did not drop the investigation like some cane fans thought would happen. The NCAA will not appease the media or anyone for that matter when it comes down to the sanctions that will be assest to the university of miami. We can argue about what the sanctions will be but the work has been done. Talking about the missteps of the NCAA investigation is a complete waste of time!!!! This is not a court case. If UM wants to drag this out and take it to court, that is there option and they could do so once the sanctions are annouced. Are they willing to go to court and drag this out for another 2 years or will they just take what they get. Thats the question.
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Originally posted by NoleMoreTears:
I'm willing to believe the infractions really weren't a huge deal and , compared to other schools' transgressions, Miami has justified something close to "time served." However, I'm willing to bet the NCAA will not let this matter escape without some fight for extra sanctions on top of the self-imposed. So I'm betting the pride of the NCAA means they'll dish a little more out before calling it quits.
You're correct.
The NCAA is walking on a fine line here.
They MUST save face.
At the same time, they don't want Miami suing them over this, because Miami would have a lot going for it.
Miami will be banned from bowls for 2 years (already served)
Miami will be placed on 4 or 5 years probation.
Miami will lose around 12/20 scholarships over that 5 year time.
That will be about it.
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A lack of evidence has never stopped the NCAA before, and it didn't stop them in this case either. As has already been stated, many of Shapiro's claims are still uncorroborated, yet the NCAA considers them factual. The NCAA included those unsubstantiated allegations in the NOA, and was thus able to slap UM with the LOIC charge.
Talking about their missteps is not a complete waste of time. It exposes the complete and utter hypocrisy and illegality of the entire system, and it scares the hell out of every member institution that they, too, could be railroaded just like so many programs before them.
You're really burying your head in the sand if you don't believe that the NCAA knows that they need to tread lightly at this moment. Hell, members of the WAC conference are discussing the possibility of pulling out of the NCAA altogether. As more and more dirt on the UM case and other recent NCAA cases comes to light, other schools and administrators are getting pissed off at the leadership of the NCAA, and will be considering their options. The NCAA needs to be re-vamped from the top down, and their actions and final decision in the UM case will go a long way in determining whether they're willing to change, or whether they're going to continue abusing their power and overstepping their own boundaries at will.
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Bottom line. For 10 years THE U, the players, coaches and school members commited NCAA infractions. U can slice and dice it any way u want.
One could say that there have been 3 major NCAA investigations in football. SMU and the other 2 belong to Miami.
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Bottom line. For 10 years THE U, the players, coaches and school members commited NCAA infractions. U can slice and dice it any way u want.
BOTTOM LINE: You just want to see Miami go down,. Bottom line.
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Re: Miami vs NCAA
TheTruth_ posted on 3/20/2013...
One could say that there have been 3 major NCAA investigations in football. SMU and the other 2 belong to Miami.
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The funny thing is that Penn State thing seems to have overshadowed the Miami investigation.
People expected Miami to be Miami but Paterno and company downplaying the gay sex/rape with a minor by one of his coaches was a bigger scandal in the eyes of most.
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20 to 30 scholarships over the probationary period, and time served is what I am guessing. I don't see the NCAA pushing this as much as they normally would and really hammering the canes. But the scholarship loses are enough to take the canes out of contention for four to eight years as we know very well.
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Originally posted by Razorback_Nole:
Re: Miami vs NCAA
TheTruth_ posted on 3/20/2013...
One could say that there have been 3 major NCAA investigations in football. SMU and the other 2 belong to Miami.
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The funny thing is that Penn State thing seems to have overshadowed the Miami investigation.
People expected Miami to be Miami but Paterno and company downplaying the gay sex/rape with a minor by one of his coaches was a bigger scandal in the eyes of most.
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Originally posted by SWFNole:
Originally posted by Razorback_Nole:
Re: Miami vs NCAA
TheTruth_ posted on 3/20/2013...
One could say that there have been 3 major NCAA investigations in football. SMU and the other 2 belong to Miami.
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The funny thing is that Penn State thing seems to have overshadowed the Miami investigation.
People expected Miami to be Miami but Paterno and company downplaying the gay sex/rape with a minor by one of his coaches was a bigger scandal in the eyes of most.
One could say that, and one would be wrong. UF had a pretty big one back in the Charlie Pell years.
And Oklahoma had a big one back in the Switzer days. And Clemson during the Danny Ford era. And Texas A&M under Jackie Sherrill. |
More NCAA Misconduct Alleged in Miami Investigation
Miami is alleging even more NCAA misconduct as it fights to have its case dismissed. The most explosive allegation is that after Ameen Najjar was fired for using Nevin Shaprio's attorney to get access to depositions, his replacement kept right at it:
After taking over for Najjar, [Stephanie] Hannah attempted to work with Perez on obtaining information from Shapiro's bodyguard, Mario Sanchez, who was subpoenaed to appear in a bankruptcy hearing.
The fact that trying to sit in on depositions may have continued after Najjar left the NCAA is troubling. It is a major argument against the idea that this was an isolated incident carried out by a lone individual. At best, it raises even more difficult questions about the amount of oversight of the enforcement staff.
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This is the much bigger problem for the NCAA and the Miami case:
UM also will allege that NCAA investigators lied to interview subjects by claiming that other people interviewed made comments they never made, in order to trick the subjects into revealing incriminating information they otherwise might not, according to multiple officials familiar with the NCAA's case against UM and former coaches. UM believes such behavior is unethical.
If that happened, then the NCAA must, at the very least, pull back the notice of allegations and purge it of any information from any interview where the investigator lied about someone's previous statement.
At that point, prosecutorial discretion might dictate that the case be dropped. It is not that the NCAA should not maintain a case tainted by misconduct. Improperly obtained evidence should be removed and the rest of the case should go forward.
But at some point there is no longer enough evidence to maintain charges worth prosecuting. That especially applies when Miami has in a way pled guilty and served a significant punishment already. If all the NCAA has is small potatoes, logic would dictate that two postseason bans and some scholarship losses are enough and move on.
But the NCAA has to press on, for two reasons. First is that it does not appear that the NCAA has the authority at this point to dismiss the case. That could come after Miami files its response, which is almost certainly being delayed by Miami's "motion to dismiss" the case. Given this case's history, the NCAA needs to follow the exact letter of its rules, which say the next opportunity to end this is by the enforcement staff withdrawing its allegations after Miami submits its response.
Second is that the NCAA is in between a rock and a hard place. Carry on with the case, and Miami is likely to sue them. Drop the case, and Miami is likely to sue them. The former is obvious why Miami would turn to litigation. The latter would be because Miami was essentially tricked by the NCAA into self-imposing two postseason bans and limiting its scholarships on the basis of information the NCAA should not have had.
Getting sued is now a fait accompli for the NCAA. The best outcome is for the case to be withdraw or for the Committee on Infractions to throw it out in accordance with the strictest letter of NCAA rules. That would limit both the grounds upon which the NCAA can be sued as well as limiting the damages that might be claimed by Miami, the coaches, and student-athletes.
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Right now Miami should be concerned with Marquette. 51-30 10 left to go.
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Originally posted by holy-noley:
Right now Miami should be concerned with Marquette. 51-30 10 left to go.Posted from wireless.rivals.com
Yeah, that was a brutal, brutal game. UM couldn't hit the side of a barn all game long. Not even the vibes from Hall of Famer Barry Larkin could salvage that poor shooting performance. Hurt that Reggie Johnson was out for the game; UM could have used his presence inside.This post was edited on 3/28 10:01 PM by UMatFSU
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It was a great run, UMat. Congrats on a great season.
Regarding the NCAA, it's hard to believe that those guys could have tripped over their dicks again, but I also can't imagine that Shalala doesn't have hard evidence to support her latest attack. So if there was much question before as to what the NCAA was going to do to you guys, I think the answer just got a lot clearer...time served.
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You did have a heck of a season. Congrats.
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Originally posted by Razorback_Nole:
Re: Miami vs NCAA
TheTruth_ posted on 3/20/2013...
One could say that there have been 3 major NCAA investigations in football. SMU and the other 2 belong to Miami.
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The funny thing is that Penn State thing seems to have overshadowed the Miami investigation.
People expected Miami to be Miami but Paterno and company downplaying the gay sex/rape with a minor by one of his coaches was a bigger scandal in the eyes of most.
Honestly, is that "funny"? It's the biggest scandal in the history of college sports, possibly all North American Sports. It's not surprising or ironic that Miami's minor indiscretions are overshadowed.
Given the "evidence" that's out I can't even say it was Miami being Miami because all I've seen so far is one jackass giving stuff away that might amount to less than $10,000 of actual, quantitative benefits. This is basically face-saving by the NCAA because they talked a big game "oh no, Miami is at it again," when the real story looks to be quite different.
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And the drama continues:AP Source: NCAA alleges Miami ignored Shapiro acts
The NCAA is alleging that some Miami officials essentially looked the other way when presented with evidence of booster Nevin Shapiro's wrongdoing - the heart of the lack of ''institutional control'' charge, the person told The Associated Press Friday. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because specifics related to that part of the notice of allegations against the Hurricanes have not been publicly revealed.
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The NCAA, according to the person, has asked Miami to detail whether or not it hired a private investigator to look into Shapiro's business dealings between 2002 and 2005, records of a meeting between at least one athletics department official and Shapiro in 2003, and the findings of a study the school conducted with regard to Shapiro in 2006.
Miami has also been asked to provide copies of certain email exchanges that were about Shapiro, including one from 2008 that was sent to at least one member of the Atlantic Coast Conference's staff.
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Here's my question: wouldn't they want to find out whether UM did their due diligence, or whether the looked the other way, BEFORE charging the school with Lack of Institutional Control? They've been investigating this crap for 2 friggin' years...seems like they'd have asked for these documents way the hell before now.
This is all on the heels of UM formally filing a motion with the NCAA to dismiss the case; here's Dennis Dodd's article on that:
A source close to the case told CBSSports.com that the filing will include new information regarding the NCAA's conduct during the case. It is not clear if and when the document will be released publicly. Miami is a private institution and not bound by federal guidelines regarding public release.
In a major case involving a high-profile university, the filing is considered unprecedented. Schools charged with major violations typically file their responses to allegations and appear before the NCAA infractions committee. Penalties, if any, are then handed out weeks or months later. However, "what the NCAA did was unprecedented," said a source with knowledge of the motion.
"There will be some stuff in there [the public] is already aware of. I would think there will be some other things in there that people are not yet aware of that [are] just as equally intriguing."
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The NCAA needs to just drop it.
I want Golden to have a legit chance o turn that program around- it's good for us, the conference, and I'd say college football as a whole.
We just need to focus on getting back to prominence ourselves.
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The NCAA is alleging that some Miami officials essentially looked the other way when presented with evidence of booster Nevin Shapiro's wrongdoing - the heart of the lack of ''institutional control'' charge, the person told The Associated Press Friday. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because specifics related to that part of the notice of allegations against the Hurricanes have not been publicly revealed.
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The NCAA, according to the person, has asked Miami to detail whether or not it hired a private investigator to look into Shapiro's business dealings between 2002 and 2005, records of a meeting between at least one athletics department official and Shapiro in 2003, and the findings of a study the school conducted with regard to Shapiro in 2006.
Miami has also been asked to provide copies of certain email exchanges that were about Shapiro, including one from 2008 that was sent to at least one member of the Atlantic Coast Conference's staff.
Well that can't be good.
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
The NCAA is alleging that some Miami officials essentially looked the other way when presented with evidence of booster Nevin Shapiro's wrongdoing - the heart of the lack of ''institutional control'' charge, the person told The Associated Press Friday. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because specifics related to that part of the notice of allegations against the Hurricanes have not been publicly revealed.
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The NCAA, according to the person, has asked Miami to detail whether or not it hired a private investigator to look into Shapiro's business dealings between 2002 and 2005, records of a meeting between at least one athletics department official and Shapiro in 2003, and the findings of a study the school conducted with regard to Shapiro in 2006.
Miami has also been asked to provide copies of certain email exchanges that were about Shapiro, including one from 2008 that was sent to at least one member of the Atlantic Coast Conference's staff.
Well that can't be good.
Your hatred for UM does not change reality
The NCAA has stepped in it so much with this case that they have no choice but to dismiss without any further penalties or punishment
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The NCAA has stepped in it so much with this case that they have no choice but to dismiss without any further penalties or punishmentLOL
Keep dreaming
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
The NCAA has stepped in it so much with this case that they have no choice but to dismiss without any further penalties or punishment
LOL
Keep dreaming
Well I guess in the next few days we will find out which one of us is delusional
It will be interesting to find out which one of us is man enough to admit it
You continue to voice your opinion based solely on hatred but you have not yet addressed the facts
1. The person handling the case for the NCAA resigns because of improprieties
2. The person who replaces him does the exact same thing
3. At this point what information do you think the NCAA has that was not obtained illegally??
4. A couple of people are facing sanctions from the bar and in addition to fines could be disbarred for their actions and you think the NCAA is going to say there is nothing wrong with their investigation??
The evidence for the music class scandal was 100 x times more compelling than what the NCA has that they can use against UM or what they had on OSU. The sanctions UM has self-imposed exceed anything the NCAA can implement based on the facts they have legally obtained. The NCAA is already being sued for unethical conduct, at this point the NCAA wants this to go away far worse than UM ever did.
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Few days?? Nothing will be settled until June 14th or weeks after. If UM gets off like u think. Trust me ill be here!!!!
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
Few days?? Nothing will be settled until June 14th or weeks after. If UM gets off like u think. Trust me ill be here!!!!
I love FSU and bled Garnet and Gold before almost anyone here except for PJD
I do not hate UM, because they are ACC and a strong UM program helps FSU
I do hate UF, can't stand them
However back to UM, if you are the NCAA how do you sanction a program with evidence that is being used as evidence to sanction, (possibly disbar) the two people who were responsible for gathering the information you want to use against UM.
Imagine going to a criminal trial and in your opening statement you say, the information you would like to use in this trial will clearly show that the defendant is guilty, however the judge has ruled it is all illegally obtained and completely inadmissible. So where do you go from there.
The reason why I say a few days is because the NCAA will dismiss before the bar association rules on the attorneys as well as the lawsuits filed against the NCAA and their attorneys. It only looks worse if a criminal or civil court rules against the NCAA before they present to UM.
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This is not a criminal trial!!!! It's a ll about perception mixed in with evidence. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT UM DID It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened.
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
This is not a criminal trial!!!! It's a ll about perception mixed in with evidence. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT UM DID It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened.
Everybody--except you--knows that you can't trust every word from a felon serving a 20-year sentence for a 930 mil Ponzi scheme. And everyone--except you--can see that the NCAA has screwed up this case so much that the public perception is that they're the bad guy.
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Originally posted by TheTruth_:
This is not a criminal trial!!!! It's a ll about perception mixed in with evidence. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT UM DID It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened.
You are confusing what actually happened and what can be legally proven. The NCAA does not have the authority to operate outside of the legal system established as laws
You cannot have the NCAA illegally misrepresenting themselves to obtain testimony from persons potentially involved in illegal activity.
I am not going to debate what really happened, I am pointing out that the NCAA has no choice except to dismiss or every investigation they have going forward will be challenged.
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If you've read any of my prior posts, Umat, you know that I don't hate the Canes...I respect your program very much. And I agree with you that the NCAA has egg all over its face on this one, but I disagree with you that this will cause them to pitch their tents completely. It's my opinion that the people within that organization are desperate to save face in some way with the college presidents that they answer to, so I think they're working hard to find some untainted evidence that shows somebody within the UM administration knew, or should have known, that Shapiro was bad news...and did nothing about it...or maybe even tried to hide it. This by itself would form the foundation for their "lack of institutional control" charge.
I think the result of all this, however, will be that UM gets little or no additional punishment beyond what you've already self-imposed.
Most college fans have felt for a long time that the NCAA has at times been capricious in how they handed down punishment, but I think most everyone is pretty stunned at how badly they have handled themselves in your case. I'd be surprised if Mark Emmert is still around a year from now.
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Originally posted by saenole:
If you've read any of my prior posts, Umat, you know that I don't hate the Canes...I respect your program very much. And I agree with you that the NCAA has egg all over its face on this one, but I disagree with you that this will cause them to pitch their tents completely. It's my opinion that the people within that organization are desperate to save face in some way with the college presidents that they answer to, so I think they're working hard to find some untainted evidence that shows somebody within the UM administration knew, or should have known, that Shapiro was bad news...and did nothing about it...or maybe even tried to hide it. This by itself would form the foundation for their "lack of institutional control" charge.
I think the result of all this, however, will be that UM gets little or no additional punishment beyond what you've already self-imposed.
Most college fans have felt for a long time that the NCAA has at times been capricious in how they handed down punishment, but I think most everyone is pretty stunned at how badly they have handled themselves in your case. I'd be surprised if Mark Emmert is still around a year from now.
sae,
I was responding to Truth, not you; I respect your posts and opinion here, and I know that you're not a hater, lol.
Keep in mind that I've never said that UM will get off scott free. I've repeatedly said in this thread and others that I expect the NCAA to try to save face by dragging this thing out as long as possible and sticking to their procedural manual. I don't expect the case to be dismissed; I do expect that, come June or whenever this thing finally goes before the Committee on Infractions, they'll ultimate give UM credit for time served and levy a small handful (5-10) of additional scholly losses at most. I doubt UM would appeal such minor sanctions, but I would expect them to appeal anything over that.
I still honestly don't quite understand why the NCAA is only just now asking for evidence of UM's handling of things. They've been investigating this for nearly 2 1/2 years. As I said earlier, you'd think such questions would have been answered long ago. As it is, it looks like they slapped UM with LOIC before they even researched whether the school did its due diligence in the matter. Seems really fishy to me.
I agree that Emmert's done within a year. This post was edited on 4/1 11:22 PM by UMatFSU
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Seems really fishy to me
Miami, a repeat NCAA offender, Miami a city with a very spotted past filled with coruption and drugs. FISHY???? I love how UM gets busted for the 2nd time and this time for cheating over 10 years and all UM fans and supporters want to talk about is how the NCAA may have gone to far in digging for the truth. Thats like calling out the FBI and CIA on mob bosses for illegal wire taps. Thats like the FBI dropping ther case on Gotti cause they had illegal phone taps on him and his crew!!!
man you guys are realy funny. Once UM gets its 20+ ships and maybe 1 more bowl band all that will be thought about is "how in the world did The University of Miami get involved with Shapiro and then let him stick around for a decade!!!!!" The NCAA should make that little troll Donna resign.
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