This is what passes for higher education policy in Florida today:
In a back-and-forth banter befitting a cattle auction, state higher education leaders on Thursday settled on myriad new tuition increases for Florida's public universities.
The final figures were all over the map, from 9 percent at the University of Florida to a maximum 15 percent won by several schools, eliciting applause.
FSU was approved for 13 percent, and Barron said later that he might appeal. He interrupted the auction...uh, votiing...to ask whether the BOG really intended for the research universities to get lower increases than the others.
Scott won't appreciate that, of course.
Link: Without Scott's blessing, hikes all over the map
6/22 8:01 AM | IP: Logged |
Looks like many schools will appeal. It is a shame the continuous circus Florida's political system makes for higher ed.Posted from wireless.rivals.com
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Barron should take the 13 percent and be happy given the way fsu has been getting hosed latelyPosted from wireless.rivals.com
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I can only hope that this circus is never allowed again. Not that I had much confidence in the BOG before but I will watch the Higher Education Reform Task Force and the current lawsuit giving institutions control over their tuition with even greater interest. Lawsuit story linked below.
Link: FL Supreme Court takes up lawsuit over tuition
6/22 11:42 AM | IP: Logged |
An appeal carries with it considerable risk. Because of the political implications, the unintended consequences (negative) could easy outweigh any gains.
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Some universities are pushing back a little bit. All have kept their heads down and accepted their fate over the last few years until now. This is where the influential members of boards of trustees need to make themselves be heard, but Scott has left himself little wiggle room.
But I don't think either path we're on now is sustainable: rapid, ongoing tuition increases nor continued disinvestment by the state. Clearly, having no reinvestment and no tuition increases either is not a sustainable position.
Scott appears to want to "break" universities along the lines of what had been proposed in Texas, somehow forcing universities to produce tons of degrees very cheaply (while simultaneously producing more expensive STEM degrees).
In short, in my view, neither the legislature nor Scott have arrived at a policy that can sustain a system of decent universities.
6/22 2:14 PM | IP: Logged |
Originally posted by FSUFrank:
Barron should take the 13 percent and be happy given the way fsu has been getting hosed latelyPosted from wireless.rivals.com
Hell no. People always complain about FSU being too passive politically and here's one time where we put our foot down and some complain about that, too. |
Glad we have Barron to call out the morons on this ridiculous political board.Posted from wireless.rivals.com
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Originally posted by thinkingnole:
But I don't think either path we're on now is sustainable: rapid, ongoing tuition increases nor continued disinvestment by the state. Clearly, having no reinvestment and no tuition increases either is not a sustainable position.
Scott appears to want to "break" universities along the lines of what had been proposed in Texas, somehow forcing universities to produce tons of degrees very cheaply (while simultaneously producing more expensive STEM degrees).
In short, in my view, neither the legislature nor Scott have arrived at a policy that can sustain a system of decent universities.
My thoughts exactly.
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Question.....is this all a shell game by FSU and UF? I seem to recall hearing that most in-state students get either Bright Futures, or Florida Pre-paid at those schools. I've heard as high a percentage as 90% of in-state student at FSU get Bright Futures.
If that's true, then this is just a way of getting more money from the state, right?
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Bright Futures is now a set amount per credit hour. The student is responsible for the overage, so this is definitely not a shell game. It's only been a short amount of time that Bright Futures has been limited in this way.
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Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Question.....is this all a shell game by FSU and UF? I seem to recall hearing that most in-state students get either Bright Futures, or Florida Pre-paid at those schools. I've heard as high a percentage as 90% of in-state student at FSU get Bright Futures.
If that's true, then this is just a way of getting more money from the state, right?
It's the ONLY way to compete with our peer and aspirational universities. The state keeps cutting funding for schools that already have incredibly low tuition. It's tough to keep good faculty and recruit new faculty like that and that will have an effect on the quality of education you can provide and the quality of students you can attract. |
Originally posted by leavebritneyalone:
Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Question.....is this all a shell game by FSU and UF? I seem to recall hearing that most in-state students get either Bright Futures, or Florida Pre-paid at those schools. I've heard as high a percentage as 90% of in-state student at FSU get Bright Futures.
If that's true, then this is just a way of getting more money from the state, right?
It's the ONLY way to compete with our peer and aspirational universities. The state keeps cutting funding for schools that already have incredibly low tuition. It's tough to keep good faculty and recruit new faculty like that and that will have an effect on the quality of education you can provide and the quality of students you can attract.
That's not what I'm asking though. It seems by the other response that maybe my question has been answered, but the question is.....if the state pays 90% of FSU's undergrad tuition costs through it's funding of Bright Futures, than is any tuition increase just a way of getting more state money?
If so, then I can see why we'd go after big tuition increases.
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I'd say a byproduct of raising tuition is getting additional money from the state, to the extent that Bright Futures is covering tuition. But to the bottom line of a university, it doesn't matter much where the tuition money is coming from--either directly out of a student/parent's pocket, through Bright Futures, or through a loan.
Tuition increases do end up costing the state more because of Bright Futures, but the state has more than compensated by reducing direct appropriations in the last few years.
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This is still only roughly $2200 bucks for a FSU student taking 15 credit hours... insanely cheap. It will take several more years at 15% tuition increases to get this education to its market value while trying to combat the continued financial handcuffs placed on us by the politicians.
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Tuition doesn't include all required fees. The Board of Governors calculates the average SUS tuition and required fees for 2011-12--before these increases--at $5,626. That may still be a bargain, particularly for those of means or those who have the highest level Bright Futures scholarships, which will be worth $3,030 for 30 hours this fall. Those costs do not include living expenses, of course.
The affordability calculation becomes a little more difficult for those without Bright Futures (the majority at institutions other than FSU and UF, I believe), and those from households of lesser means.
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Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Originally posted by leavebritneyalone:
Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Question.....is this all a shell game by FSU and UF? I seem to recall hearing that most in-state students get either Bright Futures, or Florida Pre-paid at those schools. I've heard as high a percentage as 90% of in-state student at FSU get Bright Futures.
If that's true, then this is just a way of getting more money from the state, right?
It's the ONLY way to compete with our peer and aspirational universities. The state keeps cutting funding for schools that already have incredibly low tuition. It's tough to keep good faculty and recruit new faculty like that and that will have an effect on the quality of education you can provide and the quality of students you can attract.
That's not what I'm asking though. It seems by the other response that maybe my question has been answered, but the question is.....if the state pays 90% of FSU's undergrad tuition costs through it's funding of Bright Futures, than is any tuition increase just a way of getting more state money?
If so, then I can see why we'd go after big tuition increases.
And I think it's a ridiculous question to ask if FSU is just milking the state for more money when professors are leaving and we don't have the resources to replace them. |
The recent change to Bright Futures is good for FSU. In the past, the state allocation for a Bright Futures student was nowhere near the actual price per credit hour. Now, we will still get less than the $101 that we deduct from the student's tuition bill, but everything over that $101 is money the university will actually get.
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Originally posted by leavebritneyalone:
Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Originally posted by leavebritneyalone:
Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Question.....is this all a shell game by FSU and UF? I seem to recall hearing that most in-state students get either Bright Futures, or Florida Pre-paid at those schools. I've heard as high a percentage as 90% of in-state student at FSU get Bright Futures.
If that's true, then this is just a way of getting more money from the state, right?
It's the ONLY way to compete with our peer and aspirational universities. The state keeps cutting funding for schools that already have incredibly low tuition. It's tough to keep good faculty and recruit new faculty like that and that will have an effect on the quality of education you can provide and the quality of students you can attract.
That's not what I'm asking though. It seems by the other response that maybe my question has been answered, but the question is.....if the state pays 90% of FSU's undergrad tuition costs through it's funding of Bright Futures, than is any tuition increase just a way of getting more state money?
If so, then I can see why we'd go after big tuition increases.
And I think it's a ridiculous question to ask if FSU is just milking the state for more money when professors are leaving and we don't have the resources to replace them.
Where did I say we're milking the state? I'm not big on tuition increases, but if it's a way to get the state to do what they should be doing anyway (fund the SUS), then I'm all for increases.
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i told everyone when Scott was running to not vote for this idiot; he is nutjob. he claims to care about fiscal issues, but then screws FSU but spends massive amounts of money on a new college in the state that nobody needs, to pay off some of his R friends.
Scott, the fiscal watchdog, is probably the only governor to start a college in this economic mess we are in.
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