This is a nice article on the new dean of the College of Engineering, Yaw D. Yeboah. He has a great story and great credentials. I hope he is able to bring new purpose and direction to the COE.
The most interesting thing I found in the article was towards the end:
He stressed that overall the college needs to "minimize its differences and operate more as one college," adding that he hopes to revisit the current joint management agreement and "revise it to enhance efficiency, uniformity and the four Cs in our operation for maximum output and outcome."
Very interesting. What this actually means? I have no idea.
Link: New engineering dean brings world of experience
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Originally posted by epiphany10:
This is a nice article on the new dean of the College of Engineering, Yaw D. Yeboah. He has a great story and great credentials. I hope he is able to bring new purpose and direction to the COE.
The most interesting thing I found in the article was towards the end:
He stressed that overall the college needs to "minimize its differences and operate more as one college," adding that he hopes to revisit the current joint management agreement and "revise it to enhance efficiency, uniformity and the four Cs in our operation for maximum output and outcome."
Very interesting. What this actually means? I have no idea.
Less red-tape, possibly more financial independence from FAMU and moving to a much more FSU centric financial approach, while still providing open door opportunities for those FAMU students who meet minimum grade requirements. My experience has been that FSU or FAMU really doesn't want to change the way conduct business to make things work more efficiently, which influences what the other partner wants to do.
One thing I always equate though when making a presentation, Challenges = Opportunities. I think he has already found the double language needed to run a joint college with twice the challenges a conventional college runs.
I like his thoughts about introducing energy into the curriculum. Perhaps he can take a gander at the Industrial Engineering department for potential opportunities.
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Poorly written article- mentions he earned 3 bachelors and one masters degree from MIT but fails to mention he earned a Ph.D. from MIT as well. Refers to him as Yaw D. Yeboah not Dr. Yaw D. Yeboah. Had to google him as thought from reading article that our new dean only had a masters from MIT.
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Booooooo. Got me all excited. Nothing about splitting it. Splitting under Rick Scott would be the perfect time. Scott wants more engineers. Surely two engineering schools would ultimately produce more engineers than one engineering school.
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I didn't realize how big of a deal this is until very recently (the joint FSU-FAMU Engineering college).
I have a friend whose daughter just graduated from high school. This friend and her husband both went to FSU and are big FSU fans. Their daughter had great grades and is smart.
But the daughter is now enrolled at UF. Why? She wanted to study engineering, and they didn't want her in FSU's program because they see it as lesser because of the FAMU tie-in.
Another story....my nephew (by marriage) is a smart kid too...graduated from HS this past spring as well. His mom and dad also went to FSU, and his sister is a junior there right now. He wants to study engineering, and enrolled at UCF. Why? Same reason as above....the reputation is that FSU's engineering school sucks because it's tied to FAMU.
I have to be honest...if my own kids wanted to study engineering, this reputation might scare me off with my own kids, now that I'm seeing actual FSU grads steering their kids away from it. If that's how our own grads see it, how do employers see it?
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Mr. Osceola nails it. I have said it many times on this board. I have worked in private Industry for 30 years. Boeing, Lockheed, Harris etc.When HR goes hiring for soon to be new Grads in Engineering they go to UCF, UF, NC State, GT, even Clemson. The FSU tie-in to FAMU is a problem and its viewed as "well, its just not as good" or "its REPUTATION is not thought of as highly". If your too deep into the weeds and want to break the schools up, well then you are a racist. No one wants to touch the subject because of THAT, really. Its BS but its true. I thought President Barron would have at least approached the subject by now with all of FAMU's problems but no one has the sack to do it. Being tied to FAMU academically is not good period, for FSU. Wise up. Those companies I mentioned above will look at new Grads at FSU in Finance because of the reputation of that program and FSU's Business school.
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I would agree with nole2soul and Mr. Osceola. The problem is the reputation of the school, and FAMU is what is bringing the reputation down. I am at Georgia Tech right now, but was on my way to earning a PhD at FAMU-FSU. I have experienced myself the ability of ALOT of the students able to perform well and succeed. However, it is typically when they went to another program for their post-undergrad education, and didn't really have anything to do with any special help from the college. In fact, it was like "giving birth to a 12-year-old" to get any sort of action to take place with the administration. I understand that the college is new, but it is not nearly keeping pace with any other engineering programs in terms of gaining new faculty, research spaces, programs, or students. The academic strength is a little suspect as well, but from being an insider, it has more to do with the drama with funding/spaces/quality of students being brought in than the ability of the professors.
Hopefully, with a new leader comes a renewed vision. That is what I am looking forward to. Dr. Marty Chen was a great dean, but he was slowing down (health issues) towards the end years of his tenure.
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I told my son if we wanted Engineering, go to UF, but this was not because of the FAMU tie-in. It was because FSU offers about 2-3 sub-disciplines of Engineering and UF offers many more.
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SurfNole- your comment is probably true...that and he'll get hired quicker going to UF. Being tied to FAMU is a "problem of perception"- pure & simple. No different than the media today that if you disagree with Obama its not because you disagree with his Socialist policies...its because he is black so that means you are a racist. You can't win- pure & simple.
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I'd suggest GTech over UF for engineering.
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Less red-tape, possibly more financial independence from FAMU and moving to a much more FSU centric financial approach
Good luck with that. FAMU will scream bloody murder at the first sign of things like that. That is what happened the last time there were noises about the COE and FSU making adjustments in its participation in the joint college.
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Originally posted by Mac_Nole:
I'd suggest GTech over UF for engineering.
I wouldn't if you'd have to pay OOS tuition.
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Originally posted by Bill From Tampa:
Less red-tape, possibly more financial independence from FAMU and moving to a much more FSU centric financial approach
Good luck with that. FAMU will scream bloody murder at the first sign of things like that. That is what happened the last time there were noises about the COE and FSU making adjustments in its participation in the joint college.
Yeah, but if FAMU wants to still have, at least, their name associated with the college, they are going to have to make concessions, not the other way around as FSU is doing now. Someone needs to recognize in FAMU that giving up control (even temporarily) is a GOOD thing for the COE (and FAMU) in the long term. Especially with the economic and administrative turmoil at FAMU nowadays. How many more years is FSU going to put up with it when there isn't a partner sharing its vision?
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Yeah, but if FAMU wants to still have, at least, their
name associated with the college, they are going to have to make
concessions, not the other way around as FSU is doing now. Someone needs
to recognize in FAMU that giving up control (even temporarily) is a
GOOD thing for the COE (and FAMU) in the long term. Especially with the
economic and administrative turmoil at FAMU nowadays. How many more
years is FSU going to put up with it when there isn't a partner sharing
its vision?
Maybe there have been some times where they have, but I am not aware of any concessions FAMU have ever made wrt admin control of the COE.
There hasn't been a true partnership with the COE for some time. FSU funds the bulk of it, FAMU controls the money.
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It's not a big deal. As long as you pass the national Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) Exam around the time you graduate, it doesn't matter where you go to engineering school for undergrad. Employers look mainly for the FE certification, much more than where you graduated from. I went to FSU and recently got my Professionals License in Civil Engineeing, just like countless other grads from there. The joint nature of the school is far from ideal, especially from the outside looking in, but it really is a non-issue once you're actually enrolled and taking classes there. If your goal is to get a degree, get a job, get your professional's license and make money, then it's fine. The only reason I wouldn't recommend FSU is if the student cares only about research and wants to stay in the university/research system and desires to be a PhD.
As far as its location goes, I like where it is. There's always ample parking at the College of Engineering, which couldn't be said if it was at FSU.
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Originally posted by freak-of-nature:
It's not a big deal. As long as you pass the national Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) Exam around the time you graduate, it doesn't matter where you go to engineering school for undergrad. Employers look mainly for the FE certification, much more than where you graduated from. I went to FSU and recently got my Professionals License in Civil Engineeing, just like countless other grads from there. The joint nature of the school is far from ideal, especially from the outside looking in, but it really is a non-issue once you're actually enrolled and taking classes there. If your goal is to get a degree, get a job, get your professional's license and make money, then it's fine. The only reason I wouldn't recommend FSU is if the student cares only about research and wants to stay in the university/research system and desires to be a PhD.
As far as its location goes, I like where it is. There's always ample parking at the College of Engineering, which couldn't be said if it was at FSU.
My sentiments pretty much match yours, since I am also a Civil Engineering grad from FSU as well. I would also say the student groups in civil have recently won several awards (Most active Florida Engineering Society, Honorable Mention Nationally for Most Outstanding Student Chapter, ASCE). I would dare say that Civil and Mechanical are the best education based programs there. I do agree, also, with the PhD sentiment (transferred to GaTech, which btw has a miserable Civil Engineering Department despite it being ranked top 10 nationally, gafaw). Industrial has a very good graduate program for what it is (much more materials and manufacturing based research instead of Organizational Research, Supply Chain, data mining, etc.). Chemical Engineering is making headway, but it needs to be the next department to get its own building to expand.
So don't get me wrong, FSU is good, but there are HUNGRY people wanting to make that program better and they're handcuffed severely.
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It's not a big deal. As long as you pass the national Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) Exam around the time you graduate, it doesn't matter where you go to engineering school for undergrad. Employers look mainly for the FE certification, much more than where you graduated from. I went to FSU and recently got my Professionals License in Civil Engineeing, just like countless other grads from there. The joint nature of the school is far from ideal, especially from the outside looking in, but it really is a non-issue once you're actually enrolled and taking classes there. If your goal is to get a degree, get a job, get your professional's license and make money, then it's fine. The only reason I wouldn't recommend FSU is if the student cares only about research and wants to stay in the university/research system and desires to be a PhD.
This is reassuring to hear from a CoE grad and I have argued similar points to non-FSU folks repeatedly. However, their response is that the joint CoE produces mostly not PEs but an expected low-level engineering performer who is hired for the sake of diversity goals and/or to fill other non-upwardly aimed engineering staff jobs. In the business world this would equate to staff accountants as opposed to partners. While both may be CPAs one earns $70k/yr and the other $700k/yr.
So which is better, in terms of perception, for Florida State? I'd suggest in terms of university endowment the richer the better. Certainly the normal distribution of outcomes occurs, but more of the latter is best. FSU Engineering tied with FAMU is actually no big deal in reality, but the
perception of FAMU running the CoE is an enormous drag on undergraduate recruiting of the best and brightest engineering students.
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I bet many students and faculty on the FSU side say they graduated from/work at the "FSU College of Engineering." I believe technically that is incorrect and would probably be frowned upon by the administration over there. It's the FAMU/FSU College of Engineering. So, I don't think it's just a hindrance to undergraduate recruitment. Grad students and faculty highly value prestige and association as well.
If you read other forums around the net, you'll find a lot of people recommending UCF and USF over FSU for engineering due to the tie with FAMU.
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