They cannot get over the fact that Bobby has the record now. What a bunch of whining poosies.

Not to worry, I dumped a load on them.

I couldn't care less what the sanduskites say or do. I'm still amazed at the timing of Joe Hypocrite's death. Stopped him from spilling more beans, so to speak.

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Originally posted by Lemon Thrower:

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Says it all.  And I trust that all those Happy Valley Hypocrites talking trash about Bobby got soap on a rope for Christmas.

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Originally posted by Smackum:
Not to worry, I dumped a load on them.

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must have been quite a dump because they deleted your post.  I went and posted my pic of the paterno statue for them.

Very suspicious death regarding Paterno. Sandusky they say had a link to the Savile guy from the BBC who is charged with several hundred rapes. They ;may have whacked Sandusky also but bringing in Louis Freh the Opus Dei guy to cover the investigation probably saved him from going down Oswald style.

Who knew.....Megan wears a tinfoil hat!

I could never stand Paterno, from the first time I saw him on TV, there was always something about him... now I know what it was.

Omega, remember in the old days when he would wear a white shirt, tie, and dress pants... and those god-awful white Nikes. Looked like the original redneck running up and down the sidelines.

No I don't wear a tinfoil hat but don't make excuses for sociopaths either who rape children. And yes I do keep up with such things as The Franklin cover up, (book form by John DeCamp, former prosecutor, the Dutroux affair, Holly Grieg, Kay Griggs, Savile's connection to Charley,

Small fries like Savile and Sandusky take the rap but it goes much higher. Vancouver organ trafficking, 16 million dollar lawsuit the native Americans just settled with the Jesuits and Seattle University, Dave McGowan's pedophocracy, Haut de le Garenne children's home in Jersey, Kincor, General Michael Aquino, church of satan, Islington Children's homes, Madeleine McCann, Jon Benet Ramsey cover up which extended to Denver elite, 66 German clerics face charges in Germany inolving 274 incidents.

Freeh is most certainly a member of Opus Dei and supervisor of Robert P. Hanssen, the former FBI agent now doing time for giving secrets to the former Soviet Union. This is not even debatable. Scalia is also and he just went on record as saying he though public orgies were good for relaxing people. Benedict has just stated also that pedophilia is not a sin. It is just a degree of bad. Some things are more bad than others and some things are more good than others, but not a sin. O.K.


Intelligence used to be in my job description and I am pretty good at it. Throwing out tinfoil hat and conspiracy doesn't deter me at all.

Generally speaking a conspiracy is a theory not substantiated by facts, not to be confused with a concept one disagrees with and worse yet one in which he is too unmotivated to explore for himself. Conspiracy unfortunately is an over used cliche many hide behind to mask their unfamiliarity with sometimes complex subjects or dodge a weighty issue they feel uncomfortable discussing. There are very few conspiracies, simply issues we may not yet be aware of.

I don't think 64 wants a debate on this but if so, and you need links I can provide dozens upon dozens of them.

Back on topic 64, Yeah Joe Pa always struck me as a little strange. Perhaps they called him Pa for a reason.

its clear that Paterno, not to mention the AD and the Univ. President, was covering up for Sandusky, and their collective action was a conspiracy.  No tinfoil hat needed to see that conspiracy.

The only thing unsubstantiated Omega said was that Paterno got whacked (by Opus Dei).  That does seem outlandish, but on the other hand the prosecutor who had looked into the earlier Sandusky case disappeared off the face of the earth and the hard drive to his computer was found a year later in the river. That is not typically what happens, even at major college football programs.  Look at some of the stuff at Arkansas (Petrino), Bama (Mike Price), etc.

I said "probably" as in might possbily, not defintiely. There is always a probability. Patern's death was certainly timely but he was old. And you are right they never found Gricar the missing prosecutor.

A new letter has popped up lately showing Gricar lashed out in a letter to Corbett, then an attorney, now Pennysylvania governor angrily denouncing his involvement with a high profile case on the PSU campus involving intimidation. He was the chairman of the Penn comission on crime and delinquency.

Corbett approved 3 million for second mile outfit. They gave $201, 783.64 to Corbett governor campaign. No nothing to see here.

Members Of Sandusky's Charity Gave $201,783.64 To Gov. Corbett's 2010 Campaign

http://deadspin.com/5859802/past-and-present-board-members-of-the-second-mile-gave-a-combined-20178364-to-gov-corbetts-2010-campaign

The police now have a renewed interest in the Gricar case.

Gricar prosecuted Penn State athletes who found trouble off the field.


http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?304046-Ray-Gricar-Well-thought-out-theories&s=7d35d7e29410cff347db7fcfa59981e4
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/04/ray_gricar_mystery.html

Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht, who served on a panel re-examining the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1978, is said to be doing research to write a book. Wecht disputed the government's famous "single bullet" theory.
California author Rebecca Knight, who lived in Centre County for 10 years and has roots in the Susquehanna Valley, said she is also working on a book. It would be her first.

So is Emma Gricar.

According to Missingkids.com, 800,000 children under the age of 18 go missing each year globally -- 2,185 per day. Where do they go?

"A range of studies have shown that at least 28% of children put into state care wound up being abused, with numbers much higher in certain states. And in Arizona alone, 500 of 4,000 children were sexually abused while in the care of the state."

United Church pastor Kevin Annett was defrocked in Canada for defending Indians who dug up more than 50 bodies of children in one indian school alone. He has been beaten many times also. Now the mounties say he is a possible terrorist.

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/chronology_of_attacks.html#attacks

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Originally posted by omeganole2:

I don't think 64 wants a debate on this but if so, and you need links I can provide dozens upon dozens of them.

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I don't mind at all having a discussion of this type, especially if it raises the awareness of folks to what is happening to these kids under so-called "Government Care." And to those missing kids.

I too, was in the intelligence field, though certainly not at the level you were Omega. Mine was in the military, in a believe it or not, censorship unit. Which, as we all know, doesn't exist in this country, especially in peace time. Lol. I guess that means I don't exist.

Omega, we actually thrived off the conspiracy theorists, it allowed us to hide things in plain sight, if you know what I mean.

Of course I keep up with some of this 64. You know this is a time when due to the internet, never was so much information available to people at any time in the history of man. The internet is an amazing instrument for those who choose to use it. Unfortunately many just seem to play video games, or so it seems.

It reminds me of that old cult classic, Alice in Wonderland, the further you go down the rabbit hole, the more amazing it seems. I have seen some on the net who say they wish they had never taken the red pill and stuck with the blue pill. Life was easier and more simple and they were happy. Of course we can't discard the old maxim, truth is in the eye of the beholder. I left them a few links in the gator forum and I got the old conspiracy wrong link dude. I should have known, what was I thinking? For all the talk of academics too, silly me.

College degrees are nice, I have one, but education is up to you. You can read the prescribed books they give you in college but you don't make much progress unless they spur you to do a considerable amount of digging throughout your life. I went through the FSU business school and not one person pointed out the federal reserve was not federal. Of course there are many other such instances just like this.

On many forums you run into the college student or one who may be just out of college and they are pretty sure they have most of the answers and their awareness level is way past the average Joe. Normally you will get the liberal vs conservative clash. That is when I turn the page and move on, realizing it is hopeless. Life is not quite that simple.

At times you run into people who I would characterize as suffering from information overload, they will use the canned response of, you have the wrong link dude, conspiracy or tinfoil hat. It is a fairly normal response to a situation some are not familiar with. Then you have instances where you may be dealing with someone on the payroll who are paid to keep the conversation at base level. (See LINK)

"According to Lynnae Williams, former CIA clandestine service trainee and DIA analyst, the FBI and CIA use trolls to monitor social media and interact with users to discredit information disseminated on the web. Williams explains that the CIA provides training videos to new recruits on how to troll the internet. Once a target is locked-in, all open source information is obtained on the individual, and then any angle to discredit them in public forum is used on social media sites.

Software is used to sift through the "mountains" of users on social networking sites. At the Atlanta CIA branch where Williams was trained, she personally witnessed CIA-sponsored and sanctioned trolling of Americans on social networking sites."

Having citizens discredit and suspect each other is a program that worked like a charm in Cuba and East Germany. I read one piece that indicated we now have more checkpoints than what existed under Germany during the Reich.

It is better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools....Ecclesiastes 17: 16

Those who represent an ideal beyond the comprehension of the masses must face the persecution of the unthinking multitude who are without the divine idealism which inspires progress and those rational faculties which unerringly sift truth from falsehood." -Manly Palmer Hall

This is a piece I wrote myself on another site but it will work here.

Here in the dark days of the Kali Yuga I have noticed the term conspiracy is almost standard fare. It doesn't seem to matter which type social media you engage in at any particular time. Many times people will refer to something they are unfamiliar with as a conspiracy as a reaction to deflect from their own intellectual inertia. To be honest those who have formed their world with values found in high school text books and the electronic media will be found mostly unreachable. If they have not spent decades reading books that were not on the New York Time's best seller list and gravitated from there to alternative media with the advent of the internet, I have found you will simply be wasting your time attempting any type meaningful discussion. At this point they are like a separate species. It is easier to categorize than explore, much easier to believe than to know.

The times we are in remind me of Carlos Castaneda and the separate reality. To be frank our movers and shakers, the corporate web that buys our politicians do not want an informed electorate or citizenry. Semi illiterate masses that believe every foreign war is fought for freedom and the American way no matter who is attacked is much easier to govern. Unfortunately such a citizenry carries the seeds of it's own destruction. We saw this in Germany but the spin in America varies somewhat as we believe in corporate fascism and a foreign controlled federal reserve as the be all and end all. It is democrat vs republican, conservative vs liberal 24/7 in a never ending ping pong match that goes nowhere while the country is continues to be looted.

The Borderline mushroom will always see the world as some sort of gigantic conspiracy. They say the dumber you are the more conspiratorial things may seem, so in many cases the participants may be asked to step outside their intellectual comfort zone.

Generally speaking a conspiracy is a theory not substantiated by facts, not to be confused with a concept one disagrees with and worse yet one in which he is too unmotivated to explore for himself. Conspiracy unfortunately is an over used cliche many hide behind to mask their unfamiliarity with sometimes complex subjects or dodge a weighty issue they feel uncomfortable discussing. There are very few conspiracies, simply issues we may not yet be aware of.

Some use it to mask their lack of intellectual resolve and some do so due to their personal involvement or own moral weakness as a result of not speaking out on certain issues which cause them pangs of guilt. A case in point might be one who has himself just finished an aspartame laced cola. It is better to call it a conspiracy than to admit such a chemical is indeed a low cost neurotoxin and used in many insect killers than to face the fact that the U.N. has called for a 90% reduction in the world population.

Some however may be directly or indirectly involved in certain conspiracies and seek to stifle debate on such matters. This could range to everything from employees of cellphone companies, sugar substitutes, Monosodium glutamate, GMO modified foods, media enforcers, fluoride manufacturers, nuclear energy companies, politicians, vaccine makers etc.etc. All of these have the ability to cause you unmentionable suffering but may well seem like a conspiracy to the uninformed. For instance Bill Gates advocates a 90% reduction in the world population, he buys a major vaccine company. (Boom) This man has reservations in Norway's doomsday seed vault. Now this is a red flag to those of us with finely tuned knowledge of socio-political situations. Unfortunately we cannot ask the masses to join us in this highly complex field of intellectual endeavor. It would take certain capabilities in logic 101 and other disciplines far beyond the scope of the every day social media.

It could also apply to football conferences where some entities perceive a certain advantage by simply failing to note obvious interference by referees, preferring to label such thought as a conspiracy. The very thought that money can influence many to abandon their moral compass is unsettling to some.

A conspiracy is not a complicated issue, simply two or more people joining together in an effort to bring about a desired result. The attempt consciously or unconsciously to avoid and repress intellectual debate on some topics is of and itself a conspiracy in which some are even un-knowlingly engaged in with others, leading to the dumbing down of the top of the mushroom pile. There will always be a certain percentage of the audience who leave the fray when the "conspiracy" canard is tossed out. Others will recognize it for what it is. It is a bit like football, you just have to start hitting somebody in the mouth.

We have a moral duty not to allow the intellectually inferior to label everything a conspiracy. Civil discourse and the search for truth hang in the balance. Those who would deny you information already consider themselves your master. It is a question of intellectual harmonics.

The old adage that truth is in the eye of the beholder comes to mind here. What seems apparent to one may seem complicated to another. Many times it is simply a case of what we might term intellectual harmonics. As we acquire knowledge and facts somethings appear as intrinsically needless to debate. For others further down the scale they seem perplexing and these intellects often insist upon a Fox News broadcast or link to justify their validity. Others who are forcefully confronted by facts they should have known lash out in in vindictive terms in a very unbecoming manner.

In modern day terminology I think it compares with examples of the slow learner holding back the class. Imagine yourself trying to explain to say a spider monkey that two and two equals four. Most of us have already accepted this as reality, however the spider monkey if he could even fathom what you were saying would view this as some gigantic conspiracy being thrust upon him.

I have heard many use the term well that is just your opinion, everybody has one. It is obvious that such a person has little or no exposure to Logic 101. It is really quite simple, some may hold the view that 1 plus 1 equals 5, some may feel that 2 plus 2 equals 5, etc etc. However one may feel that 2 plus 3 equals 5. In this particular instance it is not an opinion it is a fact. This is what we are looking for.

I'm getting a headache.

Sorry I am programmed to react to tinfoil hat! :)

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Originally posted by Lemon Thrower:

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Originally posted by Smackum:
Not to worry, I dumped a load on them.

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must have been quite a dump because they deleted your post.  I went and posted my pic of the paterno statue for them.

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Dang, they really got upset. Banned me. First time I ever posted on there. People are so sensitive.

I put these above two posts on the gator lounge and .......................... what do you know .............. ghost wants to ban me. Who would have known?

I guess you are saying this one wouldn't last too long.

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Originally posted by omeganole2:
Sorry I am programmed to react to tinfoil hat! :)

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Put a lid on it, will you?   SOME people have no sense of humor.

Ain't it the truth?