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       Re: The War Room - FSU, ACC & conference expansion/realignment - c691027 11/30 10:16 AM (show all)  Views 21580
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The arrogant belief that you can continue to succeed forever without adapting to the world around you is a very dangerous one.  It's what leads to bohemoths falling.  Not that it's totally on point, but look at once world beating businesses who are about to go under.  Who would have thought 20 years ago that Sears would be about to fail?

The analysis is not all that different.  The world changed.  The market changed.  But Sears didn't change, at least not enough.  It made decisions for years based partially on the assumption that, well, it was Sears.  That was not enough.

I love FSU.  I think FSU has an amazing brand value.  I think it should remain at the forefront of college football, as well as other sports.  But to think FSU is going to remain on top just because it's FSU, even though it's in an increasingly less competitive arena and is falling further and further behind in the money battle, is ridiculous.  FSU can remain on top, but it's not assured a spot there.  It has to work and adapt and always be innovative.  It has not looked that way in years.
11/29 10:29 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by AllNoles:
The arrogant belief that you can continue to succeed forever without adapting to the world around you is a very dangerous one.  It's what leads to bohemoths falling.  Not that it's totally on point, but look at once world beating businesses who are about to go under.  Who would have thought 20 years ago that Sears would be about to fail?

The analysis is not all that different.  The world changed.  The market changed.  But Sears didn't change, at least not enough.  It made decisions for years based partially on the assumption that, well, it was Sears.  That was not enough.

I love FSU.  I think FSU has an amazing brand value.  I think it should remain at the forefront of college football, as well as other sports.  But to think FSU is going to remain on top just because it's FSU, even though it's in an increasingly less competitive arena and is falling further and further behind in the money battle, is ridiculous.  FSU can remain on top, but it's not assured a spot there.  It has to work and adapt and always be innovative.  It has not looked that way in years.



It is all about the financial. Not only is FSU behind. We are behind by ridiculous proportions.



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Originally posted by AllNoles:
The arrogant belief that you can continue to succeed forever without adapting to the world around you is a very dangerous one.  It's what leads to bohemoths falling.  Not that it's totally on point, but look at once world beating businesses who are about to go under.  Who would have thought 20 years ago that Sears would be about to fail?

The analysis is not all that different.  The world changed.  The market changed.  But Sears didn't change, at least not enough.  It made decisions for years based partially on the assumption that, well, it was Sears.  That was not enough.

I love FSU.  I think FSU has an amazing brand value.  I think it should remain at the forefront of college football, as well as other sports.  But to think FSU is going to remain on top just because it's FSU, even though it's in an increasingly less competitive arena and is falling further and further behind in the money battle, is ridiculous.  FSU can remain on top, but it's not assured a spot there.  It has to work and adapt and always be innovative.  It has not looked that way in years.



Great post! BTTT
11/29 4:49 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by nutmegnole:



Originally posted by AllNoles:
The arrogant belief that you can continue to succeed forever without adapting to the world around you is a very dangerous one.  It's what leads to bohemoths falling.  Not that it's totally on point, but look at once world beating businesses who are about to go under.  Who would have thought 20 years ago that Sears would be about to fail?

The analysis is not all that different.  The world changed.  The market changed.  But Sears didn't change, at least not enough.  It made decisions for years based partially on the assumption that, well, it was Sears.  That was not enough.

I love FSU.  I think FSU has an amazing brand value.  I think it should remain at the forefront of college football, as well as other sports.  But to think FSU is going to remain on top just because it's FSU, even though it's in an increasingly less competitive arena and is falling further and further behind in the money battle, is ridiculous.  FSU can remain on top, but it's not assured a spot there.  It has to work and adapt and always be innovative.  It has not looked that way in years.
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If there is another exit from the ACC this coming week as rumored, it will trigger every ACC school with football or TV market power to immediately campaign HARD with the SEC and/or the Big12. The contestants in this beauty pagent would involve FSU, Clem, VaTech, GaTech, UVa, BC, UM, Pitt, Syracuse, UNC, NCSt. The next mayhem commercial may feature the ACC. ND also reconsiders if this happens. $50M buyout also fails, dropping to the prior $20M.

We have no reason to expect the SEC to offer us. The SEC has already demonstrated a clear business plan on expansion: increase their geographic footprint and TV market power. The SEC is already covered in FL, and we add little monetary value, just good competition (which is not an SEC problem). Expect the SEC to ignore us and Clemson in favor of trying to get into N Carolina, Virginia, maybe bring GT back into the fold to nail down Atlanta, etc. Our shot seems to depend on Bama campaigning for us and maybe political influence in FL being put on UF. Long odds on that in my opinion.

We appear to add great financial value to the Big12 by being the "best available player" to get them into all of the FL TV markets, and I expect that is where we end up, but...

What if we bolt for the Big12 with other ACC schools to form what would become an eastern division of the conference, along with WVa and some dregs from the current Big12; then the PAC12 revisits expansion and successfully raids Texas and Oklahoma schools out of the Big12 after we make the move? We pay to get out of the ACC only to end up as bad or worse than we are now in a conference with little TV marketing power. If that happens, a second realignment among the remaining ACC, Big East and Big 12 schools might occur. Regardless, the long standing BCS schools still in the ACC, Big East AND Big12 at that point would be "the biggest losers" in college football realignment. We might be the biggest loser of all, given our current stature and history over the past 25 years.

Best case scenario: We get an SEC invite (unlikely I fear).
Second best case scenario: a Big12 invite, the conference holds together, and maybe gets ND in some capacity.
Worst case: described above or for some reason not even the Big12 invites us.
12/1 2:40 PM | IP: Logged

The Big 12 is not going to loose anybody prior to 2026 and at that point I woul assume the dye will be cast on where everybody is going to stay.  Big 12 makes the most since for us.  I think we need to negotiate the move with them asap to get us the best deal possible.  I would think the Big 12 will want at least one(Clemson) or three more to come with us(Clemson, Virginia Tech and NC State)
12/2 9:17 AM | IP: Logged

and maybe gets ND in some capacity (the ACC)

Why on earth would ND ever do that, especially after this year? They need no one, and now will not
for the forseeable future. Make all the money they do and keep it all.
ND to ACC in football is likely toast, considering how this year played out. They're definitely overrated, but it's
been a charmed season (nice work OU at home). They have just set themselves up for years to come unless rules
are changed that coercively requires them to be in a Conference.
They need no one's money and TV contracts.
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Originally posted by BlackDrinkSinger:

and maybe gets ND in some capacity (the ACC)

Why on earth would ND ever do that, especially after this year? They need no one, and now will not
for the forseeable future. Make all the money they do and keep it all.
ND to ACC in football is likely toast, considering how this year played out. They're definitely overrated, but it's
been a charmed season (nice work OU at home). They have just set themselves up for years to come unless rules
are changed that coercively requires them to be in a Conference.
They need no one's money and TV contracts.
With a playoff coming they need a conference, I have no idea what conference but they will get left out in the cold without joining somewhere.  The rules are changing and being an independent won't get them squat.
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Originally posted by AllNoles:
The arrogant belief that you can continue to succeed forever without adapting to the world around you is a very dangerous one.  It's what leads to bohemoths falling.  Not that it's totally on point, but look at once world beating businesses who are about to go under.  Who would have thought 20 years ago that Sears would be about to fail?

The analysis is not all that different.  The world changed.  The market changed.  But Sears didn't change, at least not enough.  It made decisions for years based partially on the assumption that, well, it was Sears.  That was not enough.

I love FSU.  I think FSU has an amazing brand value.  I think it should remain at the forefront of college football, as well as other sports.  But to think FSU is going to remain on top just because it's FSU, even though it's in an increasingly less competitive arena and is falling further and further behind in the money battle, is ridiculous.  FSU can remain on top, but it's not assured a spot there.  It has to work and adapt and always be innovative.  It has not looked that way in years.

Well said.  I have contended this for some time yet many tend to believe that we will be able to live off of our past forever.  History has shown in countless ways that this is a dangerous way of thinking.
11/29 3:47 PM | IP: Logged

All I can tell you was in my personal situation it was brought up by several coaches.  Maybe my situation was unique, but I doubt it.  I still ended up selecting Florida State and I am glad I did, but the strength of the SEC for track was brought to my attention by several coaches. There are numerous factors involved in what caused me to choose Florida State and I am sure the same could be said for any 17 year old kid being recruited by large universities.  Regardless, what you may think competition is typically going to be a one of the larger factors in most kids choices in my oppinion. 


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Rancekay your 100% correct. Listen to the recruits talk about why they selected their schools and the very best ones will include the level of competition in the equation. It's why the SEC overall is stronger. The current view is thats where the best athletes are playing. One more "C" I would add. The coaches. And for the most part, the best are where the cash is. More cash = higher expectations and standards.
11/29 4:07 PM | IP: Logged
Dot,

Can we get an update on what Louisville's addition to the league means for FSU and the ACC? I know FSU/Clemson both wanted them instead of UConn so does this keep us here?

I am still praying to leave and the SEC stuff excited me...
11/28 7:37 PM | IP: Logged In the near future. 4 super conferences: big 12, pac 12, big 10, SEC. Conference champions= playoff system. If all 4 end up undefeated, do a lottery type selection as far as who plays who. It would eliminate the BCS all together. Just my opinion....

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Originally posted by a228454:
In the near future. 4 super conferences: big 12, pac 12, big 10, SEC. Conference champions= playoff system. If all 4 end up undefeated, do a lottery type selection as far as who plays who. It would eliminate the BCS all together. Just my opinion....

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Agreed. Decide it on the field.
12/4 10:06 AM | IP: Logged
Any thoughts on Louisville being added to the ACC and its affect on us leaving?
11/28 10:34 AM | IP: Logged
Doesn't matter who they add to the ACC ... this conference is an anchor for FSU... one that is dragging us to the bottom of the ocean. When a No.3 team loses by 1 point and drops 10 in the polls, then never recovers over a period of 6 games with every other team below them losing some not once but twice and some getting blown out by non-rated teams and still remaining below us in the rankings should be a big clue to how big this anchor is. It's time to jump ship before it sinks into an abyss
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11/28 12:54 PM | IP: Logged





Originally posted by Ngtdream:
Doesn't matter who they add to the ACC ... this conference is an anchor for FSU... one that is dragging us to the bottom of the ocean. When a No.3 team loses by 1 point and drops 10 in the polls, then never recovers over a period of 6 games with every other team below them losing some not once but twice and some getting blown out by non-rated teams and still remaining below us in the rankings should be a big clue to how big this anchor is. It's time to jump ship before it sinks into an abyss
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Yes that is why shouldn't play Savannah nor Murray State anymore just like we use to not play any school that isn'y D1 or FBS these days........

I mean give it a rest the SEC want us over there so they can move the ball like they did teams this year to make sure LSU won and others.....

As soon as they do that to us just watch these boards......
11/28 9:38 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by RUP1411:
Any thoughts on Louisville being added to the ACC and its affect on us leaving?
It means Clemson won't be as mad as I wanted them to be if UCon was added.
11/28 12:41 PM | IP: Logged
We need to go to the SEC!
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I find your comments about the Big 10, BC, and Georgia Tech a little hard to accept.   Boston College is not a member of the American Association of Universities.  That is supposedly a huge deal to the B1G.  Maryland and Rutgers are both AAU members.  Every school in the B1G, except Nebraska is a member of the AAU. 

Nebraska was a member when the B1G offered, then lost its status due to insufficient research funds.   Supposedly, Nebraska is trying to get back in, since the AAU did not inlcude agricultural research dollars.  The B1G did not make an exception for Nebraska, at least on paper.

Also BC is a relatively small private school.  With the exception of Northwestern, every school in the B1G is a major state university.

BC does have a potentially nice TV market, but that is it. 

As to GaTech, they fit all of the B1G criteria, except one.  B1G commissioner Delany made a very big deal out of the fact that both Maryland and Rutgers were in states contiguous to the league footprint (Pennsylvania).  (BC is also not contiguous to any B1G state)

GaTech is nowhere near the borders of a B1G state and I kind of doubt that Delany would make a major point and then a few weeks later go in a completely different direction.  Maybe, but he would look very silly.

UVa, on the other hand does meet all of the B1G criteria.  American Assoc Universities, great academics, major state school, contiguous to Maryland, and probably a fair number of TV eyeballs.   Would Virginia state legislators let UVa leave the ACC without being sure that VaTech had a good place to go?  Would they be comfortable that VaTech would have the SEC or Big 12 as a fallback?  Remember UVa forced VaTech into the ACC during the first attack on the Big East.

If UVa is a B1G target, who would be the second target?  Would Georgia Tech then be almost contiguous?

Other than the further destruction of the ACC, this does not really effect FSU much.  

This post was edited on 11/27 10:36 PM by abco834

11/27 10:32 PM | IP: Logged
SEC would be a great fit..Wonder what the legal timeline is going to be (with Maryland and its fee)?
11/27 10:30 PM | IP: Logged
When you have so many powerful and proven HC's in the Big-12, there is no way we would be better than a middle-of-the-pack Big 12 school... but you know what?   I'd take that any day over winning the All-but Crippled Conference. 
11/27 9:28 PM | IP: Logged
We need to try like hell to get in the SEC, but the Big 12 would be a great 2nd option.
11/27 6:09 PM | IP: Logged

It is very telling about the standing of the ACC when UConn and Louisville are our best options at replacing Maryland.  If the Big Ten nabs Georgia Tech and Boston College, we'll really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for replacements.  It is time to bail out of this lame basketball conference.

FSU needs to petition the SEC for membership.  The Big 12 would be the backup plan.  The handwriting is on the wall concerning the ACC's relevance on the national football stage.  If we stay in the ACC, we'll be sucked down to their level eventually.  Bowden's Lost Decade is proof that mediocrity is a real possibility if we linger in this conference.

The only way we can stay in the ACC is if the conference changes the equal revenue sharing rule.  If these basketball schools don't want to invest in their football programs, they shouldn't reap the financial rewards brought to the conference by the football schools who do invest in football.  If FSU stays in the ACC, we must demand that all post season revenues are kept by the school that earned it.  They can split network dollars equally among schools for regular season games, but bowl games are a reward for schools who invest in football and earn a bowl game.  If Duke wants to invest in basketball instead of football, fine, but they don't get FSU's bowl money.  Let every sport keep post season money earned, because they deserve it.  If we can make the playoffs, we keep the money.  If Duke wants bowl money, let them invest in their football program.

I'd rather go to the SEC or Big 12, but something has got to be done for us to generate enough revenue to keep up with that "little school down the road." 
11/27 4:09 PM | IP: Logged
And then there's this from UNC's AD..."non-denial" denial on leaving the ACC....read carefully..

Link: UNC AD's email to Tar Heel Supporters11/27 3:45 PM | IP: Logged

Some of the ACC trips were great, the opponents not so much.
11/27 3:43 PM | IP: Logged
I believe teams play to the competition.... Prime example, I don't believe Florida is a great team or any better than FSU, however, they play up to the SEC competition and appears to play down to the smaller schools (BG, Jax State, and LA-Lafayette).    FSU problem is we only get to play "UP" once maybe twice a year.  And when it's time to play "UP" or "BIG BOY FOOTBALL", we act like we've never been there.  That is where the SEC would be a huge benefit for FSU, IMO....  Weekly "UP" games that would mean something.
11/27 3:03 PM | IP: Logged
Bama should threaten to go to the ACC if the rest of the schools block FSU to the SEC!!! 

I don't understand uf's opposition...  FSU is going to recruit well either way, and they have to play us every year anyways... if we're in their division they can then schedule a cupcake opponent to replace us and make their schedule a little easier.  Also while uf/uga is a big rivalry, you would think uf gets sick of having the biggest rivalry game in the SEC be Bama/Aub(it's not usually a blowout like this year)... and then uf would be able to boast about having the uf/FSU rivalry to match that and the uf/uga rivalry to match Bama/LSU....

11/27 3:07 PM | IP: Logged

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
11/27 2:51 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
11/27 2:56 PM | IP: Logged
Stupid analogy.
11/27 3:36 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.


Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.


What ACC team is in DC area?
11/27 3:12 PM | IP: Logged
I imagine a 16 team SEC would have to include a 9 game conf schedule, this could be a factor in a possible vote. I don't buy the pod system and can't see a 16 team conf with 8 conference games. This is something the sec must figure out.
11/27 3:31 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by noleclone:

What ACC team is in DC area?
Well it was Maryland. We just had our last trip there though.
11/27 3:19 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by noleclone:

What ACC team is in DC area?


Well it was Maryland. We just had our last trip there though.


Eggzactly.  And BC being on the B1G want list would not suprise me either. 
11/27 3:25 PM | IP: Logged

So your down to ATL, Boston, Miami.

ATL - we could still go there if Ga Tech Goes with us. Or go for the SEC champ or chick or peach bowl.
Boston- thats a fun place cant argue there.
Miami- Just plane sucks, that place stinks and not a good stink like New Orleans.

I'm talking Saturday Game day atmosphere SEC road games would be way better.
11/27 3:25 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by kshall2:

So your down to ATL, Boston, Miami.

ATL - we could still go there if Ga Tech Goes with us. Or go for the SEC champ or chick or peach bowl.
Boston- thats a fun place cant argue there.
Miami- Just plane sucks, that place stinks and not a good stink like New Orleans.

I'm talking Saturday Game day atmosphere SEC road games would be way better.
I don't know why you're arguing...i want to go to the SEC...

But to say the ACC didn't have some great away trips was incorrect. There are/were some great ones.
11/27 3:43 PM | IP: Logged
Currently we'll play Ga Tech in Atlanta like once every 8 or so years. Hardly even worth considering. We'll likely play Miami regardless.

Sooooooo... there's Boston...
11/27 3:48 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by samdingo:
Currently we'll play Ga Tech in Atlanta like once every 8 or so years. Hardly even worth considering. We'll likely play Miami regardless.

Sooooooo... there's Boston...
Read my previous post.
11/27 3:51 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
For the Smithsonian and the Freedom Trail in April or May? Absolutely.

On a fall Saturday? To each his own, but gimme Columbia, SC for a big ball game all day long.

Starkville probably does suck, but I'll take it over Syracuse. At least it'll be warm(er).

Not to mention Athens, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, Knoxville, College Station, Oxford, Nashville...
11/27 3:05 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
I think most Nole fans would like to travel to SEC venues, even though I am like you and travel to those ACC cities.  As a mater of fact, I would love to go to every SEC venue(except for Starkville) over nearly every ACC school. 
11/27 3:04 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
I think most Nole fans would like to travel to SEC venues, even though I am like you and travel to those ACC cities.  As a mater of fact, I would love to go to every SEC venue(except for Starkville) over nearly every ACC school. 

Yea i think we'll travel well, no doubt. But saying the ACC didn't have good away trips...i don't get that. At all. Atlanta. DC. Boston. Miami. The biggest and best cities in the Nation.

I've been to most SEC venues and would definitely go to LSU, Tennessee, UGA (please GOD...i love Athens), Ole Miss (never been there), Vandy (Nashville) and maybe Auburn again (but only because of the game atmosphere). Yes please.

USCjr, MSU, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri...even Texas A&M outside of the first trip. No thanks.

Sorry....forgot to include Bama. I want to go there as well, never been to a game in Tuscaloosa.

This post was edited on 11/27 3:21 PM by 71/BORASCH/06

11/27 3:12 PM | IP: Logged
kshall2 posted on 11/27/2012...

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.



I live in Louisiana and I would definitely go to more home and away games
11/27 2:55 PM | IP: Logged
I believe it does in part, but the problem is more systematic than that.

When FSU joined up, basketball drove a lot of value.  The ACC teams all agreed this was an equal share conference.  We have seen the issues with UTexas and the Big12.  The simple fact is that any team that is getting less revenue will always believe it is not being treated fairly and say the league should be socialist.  It's part of life.  And, given most leagues are run that way, it's hard to take another position.

The real problem is that the league overall was not managed in a way to keep overall average value competitive with other leagues.  Thus, the only way for FSU to be competitive with other leagues/teams is to demand the ACC share revenue unequally.  It has the economic argument on its side.  No one can debate FSU brings the most revenue to the league.  However, it has history and tradition running strongly against taking that position. Clearly, the administration has stuck with history and tradition, and I can't really blame them.  We can throw around the idea of unequal revenue sharing on a message board pretty easily, but few think about the long term damage that does to a league.

FSU's only real option in the last few years was to realize that being in an equal revenue league paying tons less than other leagues over the long run is not feasible, and therefore not get tied into long term contracts.  To me, that's where we failed.  I think FSU should have been aggressively seeking a better place to land, and use that leverage to make a deal with the league that did not tie us into a contract for so long with such a bad penalty for leaving.  But, once we agreed with the others to a 12 year deal, we became locked into the damages we would cause by breaching that contract.
11/27 2:48 PM | IP: Logged
We all witnessed on saturday why we need
To be in the ACC
11/27 2:04 PM | IP: Logged All you people have no clue what you are talking about, 10-2 is what good, great? 11-1 would have been what ? It's about the games being intriguing. Whether it's Miami VT, Clemson, or whomever. The NCST game was a finale but had me on the edge of my seat. Who can say we can't compete in the SEC is dead wrong. If we enter 12-0 or 8-4 or anywhere in between you want to be excited about it. Playing BC isn't exciting. Who cares about the record play the games

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Posted on 11/27 11:49 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by PANolefan:
We all witnessed on saturday why we need
To be in the ACC
Huh.

What I saw Saturday was exactly why we need to get the eff out of the ACC.
11/27 2:13 PM | IP: Logged
So is Texas willing to go to, or revise Big 12 economics to, share revenue equitably?

I don't see them doing this, so a move to the SEC seems unlikely because Alabama, LSU and most others are not going to go for something like TLN, allowing them an advantage.
11/27 2:03 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SeminoleDundee:

So is Texas willing to go to, or revise Big 12 economics to, share revenue equitably?

I don't see them doing this, so a move to the SEC seems unlikely because Alabama, LSU and most others are not going to go for something like TLN, allowing them an advantage.


What are you talking about?  The Big XII already has equal revenue sharing.  Every program gets the same amount of $$$ from the conference for TV.  The Big XII's network partners (ABC/ESPN & Fox/FSN) however, do not buy all of the Big XII's football, basketball, baseball, etc inventory.  Any inventory that is not purchased by the networks defaults to the home team.  This is the EXACT SAME setup as the SEC has.  If there's extra inventory, each team is free to sell it.  Texas makes $15M/yr (avg) on theirs.  Oklahoma makes over $8M/yr.  Kansas is over $6M, et al. 

Slive came out last year and said there'd be no issues with the Longhorn Network in the SEC during their courtship of Texas.  They already allow for Tier 3 distribution, and members are allowed to own or be broadcast on branded networks.  Missouri, for instance, owns their Tier 3 network, which broadcasts inventory that isn't picked up by CBS/ESPN.  They had the same exact set up in the Big XII.  Florida has their own Tier 3 deal.  Alabama has theirs.  Georgia has theirs.  The difference between the Big XII and SEC is the SEC doesn't have guaranteed leftover inventory, while the Big XII does.  That allows the Big XII teams to land larger contracts, b/c they know the minimum inventory available for Tier 3 distribution. 

11/27 2:59 PM | IP: Logged
It would make our rivalry game mean more and we can finally play UGA and SC regularly. I think we match up well with them and our recruiting would skyrocket because the other schools couldn't use the conference success against us anymore. UGA vs GT would have a whole new meaning. We'd pick up meaningful rivals in SC, UGA, UT, and Auburn. We could also hone our skills against AL and LSU. That is how we became Florida State! Let's Do IT!!!

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