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War Room - ACC scuttlebutt, DC search update, assistants (DC Update 6pm) - Dot Com 12/3 3:22 PM (show all)  Views 7816
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Will we know today?
12/4 1:10 PM | IP: Logged
Thanks for the update we can always count on you to give us as much info as possible!
12/4 11:46 AM | IP: Logged

No thanks re: Bob Shoop.

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No matter the conference talk I hear, it always comes down to one thing for me. I simply want FSU to be in the SEC. I feel like it would make wins that much more exciting and losses more palatable. Anyone with me on this?

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Originally posted by tcnoles4life:

No matter the conference talk I hear, it always comes down to one thing for me. I simply want FSU to be in the SEC. I feel like it would make wins that much more exciting and losses more palatable. Anyone with me on this?


Of course, but this doesn't appear to be a realistic scenario as of right now.

As Dot said, the only way they could possibly desire to invite FSU is if they want to block Big 12 or Big 10 expansion into the South. If the SEC feels threatened by this, they may simply invite FSU out of necessity.

Hope it happens, but don't hold your breath.
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If we can bring Clemson, Miami and VaTech with us to the Big 12, that would be awesome. The Big 12 will have imported some very significant rivalries and re-created some old ones (VaTech vs. WVU).

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Miami has a better, and more loyal, fan base outside of south Florida. They are a strong TV draw like us, but not as loyal a local fan base. You would think being in close proximity to 3.5 million they would be able to sell out every game, but are lucky to get half. Imagine if FSU had that many fans within a 90 minute drive like Hogtown and Palm Beach, Broward and Dade. The TV draw alone is what makes Miami desirable and they do have a quality school, outside of how the athletic department has been managed.

That said, they have probably been on probation as many times as they have won rings. Is the upside worth all the problems they always bring?

Funny how FSU and Clemson are the initial schools wanted by the Big XII and Miami being the third choice if this report is true.
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call me crazy but i would like to see jim leavitt as the DC. yes i know he may not be the best human being out there but the man can flat out coach. He would bring intensity, nasty aggressive style defense. Look at what he did at USF with there personal imagine what he could do with the talent currently at FSU.
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I would be very disappointed in the Johnson hire. He is 60+ years old and probably losing his fire, was the CO-DC NOT THE ONLY DC at South Carolina. South Carolina has continued its dominating defense even with the loss of Johnson, hinting that he was not the sole reason behind it's success, and has turned a championship Southern Miss squad into a defeated winless program. Not terribly impressed by the defenses he threw onto the field at Miss. State. 

Seems to me this would be a "safe" hire. Rather than take a chance on somebody like DJ who could turn out to be somebody very special, we go for the experienced older "safe" choice. blah





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Well they have accomplished one thing for dang sure.  They got me confused.
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Seems like Travis Jones would be the goto pick. He has NFL experience and is reported to be a hell of a recruiter, plus the Saints may be making some changes where we could get him and there is history with Jimbo.
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Originally posted by firemanj1:
Seems like Travis Jones would be the goto pick. He has NFL experience and is reported to be a hell of a recruiter, plus the Saints may be making some changes where we could get him and there is history with Jimbo.



Him, Sunseri, and Leavitt are the ones with NFL experience.  Sunseri also has a history with Jimbo.  I like Leavitt, but it's probably one of the other 2 guys.  We'll get a good one.  If you want fire and aggressiveness Leavitt is the guy, but having history together favors the other 2. 
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Bob Shoop or Ellis Johnson.  Losing coordinators sucks but those are 2 guys I feel may be a upgrade.  And as far as recruiting, if you can't recruit to FSU then something is wrong.
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FSU's DC search aka "As The Stomach Turns."
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If hired could Ellis Johnson signel something else...
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anyword on Eliot's move to Ky???  tomahawknation.com and coachingsearch.com are both reporting that Eliot has accepted the DC position under Stoops.
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I'm sure Hudson isn't the first choice for Jimbo and with some of the names being mentioned, it's understandable. But for some on here to say that he isn't or wouldn't be a good DC is ridiculous.  I find it hard to believe that he would go from being a credible DC to all of a sudden a terrible LB coach.  It doesn't make sense, he probably had big plans for these linebackers and was unable to make it happen because of Stoops' scheme-just a thougt.
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I'm guessing the statement that Fisher made of giving up play calling was a smoke signal....

you would think that the 0 points in the second half against a hapless GT D was enough evidence....
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Add me to the list that would love E. Johnson.  I actually think he would be an upgrade over Stoops.  I loved his defense at SC and could only imagine what he would do with FSU's talent.
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Originally posted by seinfeld101:
Add me to the list that would love E. Johnson.  I actually think he would be an upgrade over Stoops.  I loved his defense at SC and could only imagine what he would do with FSU's talent.



After getting fired after only a year, Johnson could be in for a let down. Question would be, does he still have that fire in the belly?


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There would be panic in Blacksburg if Foster was even mentioned. I seriously doubt he is being overlooked.
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No way B. Foster comes... No way... Not sure he would be the right choice anyway... No offense
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Great update, thanks Gene!
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If you have even a small liking for TURNOVERS, then LEAVITT is your guy... he put together warrior defenses using the scrap leftovers in the state of Florida, think what he would do with this states best athletes.  He's also amazing at identifying and reeling in talent--look at how many of those scraps he turned into high draft picks and NFL stars.

I think he would come just to show up USF... the question is, are we keen enough and gutsy enough to go get him?  He's an INSANE madman with more passion for football than just about anyone you've ever met---and really, is there anyone that could argue FSU is lacking passion at times?

I will guarantee you he keeps the choking and slapping to a minimum under Jimbo's watch... he will probably be limited to just headbutting players with helmets on. 
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nolesrule74, Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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At this point Bob Shoop from Vandy and Ellis Johnson are probably my top 2. 

Shoop has had Vandy ranked in the top 20 in yards given up per play his 2 years there, and the year before he arrived they ranked in the 70s or 80s.  He took a bunch of VANDY players and made them into a legit defense.  And he is an outstanding secondary coach.  I don't know about his recruiting ability, but everything I know about him I like.
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And the link on the SEC Digital Network Website is still showing 2013 Expansion though referencing Mizzou and TA&M.

Hover over "The SEC" under the Georgia logo.

May be nothing, may be something.

They have screwed up before on that web site
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I'm not a lawyer, but it is safe to assume that if GT also leaves the conference FSU and Clemson can neogiate the fee down claiming we have been greatly impacted by the loss of those two teams. Therefore, we should not be held to the full exit fee since the conference is not the same as when we entered into that arrangement.
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The only DC candidate I see with NFL exp. is Travis Jones now with the Saints. He was under consideration before stoops was hired.

This post was edited on 12/3 7:03 PM by jbob

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Great work!

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FSU & Clemson should have been taken by the SEC ahead of A&M and Missouri... If it takes courting the Big 12 to wake the SEC up then so be it. FSU needs to be in the SEC! I would rather be 2nd or 3rd place in the SEC then 1st place in the ACC at this point.

I like the fact that Jimbo is pursuing a more aggressive defensive coordinator, maybe he could pursue a more aggressive offensive coordinator to go along with it.

We are all giving our two cents now... if Winston is starting QB next year wait until the starter screws up a time or two! We will all be screaming for Winston to play!

Again, too much talent to be passified with ACC championships!
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Ellis Johnson is my #1 choice. Hope we get him.

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Originally posted by Nolebra Kai:
Ellis Johnson is my #1 choice. Hope we get him.

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He's been mine too and who I have been telling everybody I want. He did more with less at South Carolina for years and South Carolina currently has the most DBs in the NFL than any other college team... and how many 5 star players have they gotten the years he was there? 4 star? ... i do worry a little about his age, though

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Should we update Ellis Johnson's Wikipedia page or am I reading to much into this?
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BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.
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Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.


You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.


This post was edited on 12/4 12:20 AM by fsujd

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Originally posted by fsujd:






Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.




You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.



This post was edited on 12/4 12:20 AM by fsujd





fsujd:

Spin away.

But, and I know these are minor points that undermine your ACC spin:



  • didn't Pitt and Syracuse play in the Big East and the two SEC additions play in the SEC this year,
  • didn't Louisville and Pitt both lose to UCONN this year
  • UNC is sanctioned
  • Miami is not officially sanctioned yet
  • Only 7, not 8, ACC teams actually qualified this year for bowls games, the seventh qualifying ACC team self banned while the ACC replacement team begged after going 6-7




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Originally posted by Nole4757:






Originally posted by fsujd:









Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.






You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.




This post was edited on 12/4 12:20 AM by fsujd







fsujd:

Spin away.

But, and I know these are minor points that undermine your ACC spin:




  • didn't Pitt and Syracuse play in the Big East and the two SEC additions play in the SEC this year,
  • didn't Louisville and Pitt both lose to UCONN this year
  • UNC is sanctioned
  • Miami is not officially sanctioned yet
  • Only 7, not 8, ACC teams actually qualified this year for bowls games, the seventh qualifying ACC team self banned while the ACC replacement team begged after going 6-7







To your points:

1.  Yes they did but still bowl eligible.  Syracuse beat Missouri.
2.  Yes but they are still bowl eligible.
3.   True.
4.    I am aware of that but who wants to type that explaination every time.  The point is they aren't playing in a bowl.
5.    If UM and UNC were bowl eligible GT would not have played in the championship game and finished the season 6-6, bowl eligible. 

Basically nothing you said changed my original post.

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Originally posted by fsujd:






Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.




You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.



This post was edited on 12/4 12:20 AM by fsujd





The additional inventory from adding Pitt and Cuse was already included in the ESPN contract signed most recently.  So that is already part of the contract that was to pay $17 million per year average.  

It is unclear what effect, if any, us moving from 9 conference games to 8 will have.  I don't think the contract included a specific number of games, I think it just says ESPN gets ALL ACC football games, so the move from 9 to 8 may not do anything to the contract.  Obviously you are replacing a conference game with an OOC game and as long as that is a home OOC game ESPN still has the rights to it.  Given teams tend to play more home OOC games then away OOC games, the change from 9 to 8 could actually result in more games for ESPN, not less.  But the difference will be negligible in terms of numbers of games. 

Also, I did the math back when the agreement was made with ESPN with the additions of Pitt and Cuse and there WAS an increase in the per game value in comparison to our former ESPN deal.  So the entire increase in value was not due to more inventory alone.  However, the per game value increase was not that large and paled in comparison to the per game value increases in the Pac-12 and (at the time rumored but turned out true) Big 12 agreements. 

Our current contract with ESPN will need to be adjusted to account for the additional inventory of the Notre Dame deal.  Nobody on here has any idea what the language in the contract says in regards to those negotiations and just what they open up so I hope nobody on here pretends to know. It could be nothing more then determining the added value from those specific ND games for all sports, or it could open up larger negotiations into the overall value of the contract.  Same with the change of Maryland for Louisville, nobody on here has any factual basis to say what affect that has on our contract, if that will involve another financial adjustment, or if the contract just stays as is because it is only altering 1 team (it has been reported some of the conference deals only call for re-negotiation if 2 or more teams are changed).  We will have to wait and see what happens with the new negotiations and just how much is put on the table.

Once again, NOBODY ON HERE KNOWS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONTRACT RELATED TO RE-NEGOTIATION

Just want to make sure we are all clear on that, it isn't directed at you FSUJD but for all of us in general.  We are discussing possibilities but in the end we don't really know a lot of the important variables.

Same goes with the 5 year look-in deal.  We have no idea how that works.  Some people want to act like it is 100% written to favor ESPN.  Some people want to act like it could be a saving grace for the ACC if some of the schools start playing really well.  The reality is none of us know a damn thing about how the look-in works and how much power it gives to each side in negotiations. 
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Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 


The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 

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Originally posted by = Iceman =:




Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 




The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 




That is true but when Louisville was added Swofford said the ACC/ESPN deal was not effected and never saw any word of it changing after announcement of 8 conference games. 
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Originally posted by fsujd:



Originally posted by = Iceman =:




Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 



The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 



That is true but when Louisville was added Swofford said the ACC/ESPN deal was not effected and never saw any word of it changing after announcement of 8 conference games. 

It's a 7% reduction of total inventory for ESPN, including losing 1 game a year from FSU, VA Tech, Miami, Clemson, etc.  So, the contract goes down by the percentage loss of inventory.  It's not a huge deal though, b/c FSU will more than make it up by the extra home game every year. 

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Originally posted by = Iceman =:

Originally posted by fsujd:



Originally posted by = Iceman =:




Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 



The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 



That is true but when Louisville was added Swofford said the ACC/ESPN deal was not effected and never saw any word of it changing after announcement of 8 conference games. 

It's a 7% reduction of total inventory for ESPN, including losing 1 game a year from FSU, VA Tech, Miami, Clemson, etc.  So, the contract goes down by the percentage loss of inventory.  It's not a huge deal though, b/c FSU will more than make it up by the extra home game every year. 


Not all games would have been televised, so I dont see how the contract goes down by 7%.
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FSUJD,

Do you not recall what the last ESPN "lookin" got the league? A backloaded contract that required the ACC to give up essentially all of its inventory for minimal increase in revenue for an extended period of time. ESPN has zero incentive to significantly increase its payout to a conference it already possesses. It's not like FOX can swoop in during the lookin period and drive the ACC contract price higher. It's a closed negotiation.... One that ESPN holds all the power. The lookin is simply a method that the ACC can save face by saying "our new two homes games against ND annually can get us more money" and then sign a contract through 2030.

The lookin is a fraud. As long as FSU is in the ACC during the period of 2012 til probably at least 2022, we will be getting approximately $8mill less than the Big12 andPAC 12 and $10 to 15 million less annually than SEC and B1G. (including third tier rights) and no lookin clause is going to help that.
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Originally posted by BigHieb:
FSUJD,

Do you not recall what the last ESPN "lookin" got the league? A backloaded contract that required the ACC to give up essentially all of its inventory for minimal increase in revenue for an extended period of time. ESPN has zero incentive to significantly increase its payout to a conference it already possesses. It's not like FOX can swoop in during the lookin period and drive the ACC contract price higher. It's a closed negotiation.... One that ESPN holds all the power. The lookin is simply a method that the ACC can save face by saying "our new two homes games against ND annually can get us more money" and then sign a contract through 2030.

The lookin is a fraud. As long as FSU is in the ACC during the period of 2012 til probably at least 2022, we will be getting approximately $8mill less than the Big12 andPAC 12 and $10 to 15 million less annually than SEC and B1G. (including third tier rights) and no lookin clause is going to help that.


As noted by another poster when Syracuse and Pitt were added that was not a "look in".  That provision came in as part of the re-negotiation when Cuse and Pitt were added.  The ACC got an average of $4 million per team increase when those two were added.  No one right now can say what the look in will bring.  Part of that depends on the ACC's performance of course, including FSU's.  We do know a bump is coming with the ND add.

One reason I don't buy a lot of these projections that are thrown around is they don't all pan out.  Pac 12 is an example.  I read in a Bay area paper that the Pac payout on TV right now is about 15 million (theirs is backloaded too like everybody else) and their future projections may be a little rosey because it includes the Pac 12 Network that has yet to be picked up by Direct TV and some other major carriers.

Big 10 says Maryland will get 12 million more in 2014 than it would in the ACC.  This year the Big 10 paid 24 million per school (and that is with Nebraska not getting full share), ACC 17 million for 7 mil difference.  So in less than two years that is going to almost double with two (really three with Nebraska full share) more schools to pay?  We'll see.

SEC paid 20 million this year.  So they are 3 million ahead.  CBS isn't indicating they will give big bump, if any.  It remains to be seen what SEC actually gets so I don't take 10-15 million gap at face value.  Its 3 right now.  That is what we know.
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Originally posted by BigHieb:
FSUJD,

Do you not recall what the last ESPN "lookin" got the league? A backloaded contract that required the ACC to give up essentially all of its inventory for minimal increase in revenue for an extended period of time. ESPN has zero incentive to significantly increase its payout to a conference it already possesses. It's not like FOX can swoop in during the lookin period and drive the ACC contract price higher. It's a closed negotiation.... One that ESPN holds all the power. The lookin is simply a method that the ACC can save face by saying "our new two homes games against ND annually can get us more money" and then sign a contract through 2030.

The lookin is a fraud. As long as FSU is in the ACC during the period of 2012 til probably at least 2022, we will be getting approximately $8mill less than the Big12 andPAC 12 and $10 to 15 million less annually than SEC and B1G. (including third tier rights) and no lookin clause is going to help that.



That wasn't a lookin.  That was a new contract negotiation. 

And you have no idea how the look-in that is part of the new contract actually works, so don't pretend like you do.  You haven't read the contract and don't know the language and certainly don't know the legality of it.  Maybe it leaves all the negotiation power with ESPN, but for all you know if gives the ACC the ability to challenge the value of the contract in court as not being for fair market value if the value of the ACC changes between now and then.

What we know now are the values under the currently signed contracts for each conference.  We shouldn't hold out hope for some huge increase in 5 years because of the look-in aspect.  But people on here shouldn't dismiss something they have no information on or knowledge of given the fact you have no information on or knowledge of it.
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Did Peveto "opt to not return" or get fired?   His record as a HC was a disaster with 0-11 (09), 5-6 (10), 5-6 (11) and 4-7 (12) which included 9-19 in the conference and 14-30 overall.
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Ellis Johnson would be awesome!
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Originally posted by nolefan04

Ellis Johnson would be awesome!



yes sir

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The WAR ROOM


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Additional Note: Everything noted in this War Room comes from a reliable source but keep in mind that if we had it confirmed or if we had people go on the record it would be reported on our front page and not confined to the Tribal Council message board. That being said, what's in this War Room is more than just a rumor but it's not quite solid enough to be reported as fact. However, because we want to let our readers know what we are hearing we want to pass it along. Just keep in mind that we aren't trying to make a name for ourselves like the dozens of bloggers and Twitter folks that float every crazy rumor that comes around.

Defensive coordinator Update (6pm)

Heard from somebody close to Ellis Johnson (former South Carolina DC and former Southern Miss head coach) that he spoke with Jimbo Fisher over the past couple days.  I've also been told that Johnson has a new position "locked up" but whether that position is the DC job at FSU remains to be seen.

It's probably safe to say that Johnson is likely on Fisher's short list of candidates for the DC opening.

Again, we expect something to come down regarding FSU's DC position pretty soon.

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Georgia Tech - Staying in the ACC or leaving for the Big 10?

For a couple weeks now rumors have been running rampant that Georgia Tech might be leaving the ACC for the Big 10, and that it could happen quickly.


We mentioned in the last War Room that we have heard the same Georgia Tech rumblings and that they appeared to have more substance than your garden variety conference expansion/realignment rumors that dominate Twitter, message boards and fan blogs. Over this past weekend Georgia Tech flatly denied the rumors.


"There is no truth to the rumors," Tech spokesman Matt Nagel told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Acting athletic director Paul Griffin also told the AJC there has been "no communication (with the Big Ten), nor does he expect any."


Sorry, but not buying it.


We heard over the weekend and again on Monday from a source within Georgia Tech that the Big 10 has in fact extended an informal offer for the Yellow Jackets to join. Not only is there an offer but Georgia Tech is apparently on the verge of accepting. Like Maryland, Georgia Tech's athletic department is experiencing some financial shortcomings and see the Big 10 as a way to resolve many of these problems.


Furthermore, Tech has reportedly been in contact with John Swofford and other conference officials to see if there is anything they can offer to convince them to stay in the ACC.


While most signs point to something happening fairly quickly, it's impossible to put any kind of time line on when it might go down. It's possible that if the Big 10 is willing to wait, Georgia Tech will want to see how the lawsuit over Maryland's conference exit fee plays out before making a final decision. 

If Tech leaves what does that mean for the ACC, FSU and Clemson?

If Georgia Tech does leave for the Big 10 there's a good chance that another ACC school will join them. Half the ACC has been mentioned by the various conference rumor mills as potential candidates so it's difficult to say which school that might be. It could be that just Georgia Tech might be the only school to leave the ACC for now if they decide to move forward.


Regardless, the loss of Georgia Tech would be another huge blow to the conference.


From what we've been told a change like this would probably push Florida State and Clemson over the edge. Within the last week or so there has been serious talks within the administration about exploring options outside the ACC. FSU has also been in contact with Clemson to come up with a join exit plan should the ACC continue to collapse.


If Georgia Tech does bolt for the Big 10, I hear FSU and Clemson will get in touch with the Big 12 to begin negotiations. Both schools will also reach out to the SEC but whether there is enough interest, or enough votes to get past Florida's block, remains to be seen.


Also, if it does play out this way, and FSU and Clemson work out a deal with the Big 12 don't be surprised if there is an arrangement to add two more eastern schools down the road including Miami. One of the biggest concerns expressed by FSU president Eric Barron, and rightfully so, was that all of the schools in the Big 12 are outside FSU's geographic footprint. The addition of Clemson, and Miami and another eastern school down the road, would make a move to the Big 12 much more palatable for Florida State and Clemson. Having at least five Big 12 schools in the east (remember West Virginia) would make scheduling and travel much easier, and would mean a lot more alumni and boosters within FSU's footprint.


Comment: This is just speculation on my part but the best chance for FSU and Clemson to find their way into the SEC would be for the two schools to come close to a deal with the Big 12 and then give the SEC one last chance. The prospect of the Big 12 getting a major foothold in the heart of SEC country probably isn't too appealing to Mike Silve and the conference power brokers. Adding FSU and Clemson as the 15th and 16th schools would completely lock down the Southeast.

Defensive coordinator search update

Everything we hear leads us to believe that a new defensive coordinator will be named soon, and possibly this week. In fact, we've been old that Fisher already has his man and it's just a matter of dotting the i's and crossing the t's.


We don't have a solid name yet but all signs point to the new DC having a more "aggressive" philosophy. That's a vague term in football speak but as good as Mark Stoops did turning around the defense, Fisher wants a defense that fully utilizes FSU's athletic superiority and one that can force more turnovers. As good as the defense was in 2012 (No. 2 in total defense) it forced just 19 turnovers in 13 games. To put that into perspective Florida forced 29 turnovers in just 12 games. To further point out the importance of forcing turnovers the schools ranked in the top 10 of the BCS rankings have forced an average of 27 turnovers (Oregon has a whopping 38!) and most of those teams only played 12 games.


In terms of names a new one that came to our attention is Bradley Dale Peveto who has been coaching at Northwestern State. He just opted not to return as the head coach last week which means he may have something in the hopper. Peveto coached special teams and linebackers with Fisher at LSU in 2005-06. He has some experience as a DC (Houston, Middle Tennessee and NW State).


Other names making the rounds include Bob Shoop who is the current DC at Vanderbilt, Geoff Collins the co-DC at Mississippi State, former Auburn head coach Gene Chizik, and former USF head coach Jim Leavitt. We have nothing to substantiate any of these coaches as legitimate candidates but are just names popping up in various coaching rumor mills.


We keep hearing there's a good chance the next DC will have some NFL experience. If that's the case it would narrow the list quite a bit.


A lot of people keep throwing out current defensive ends coach D.J. Eliot has a candidate for the DC opening. While anything is possible, we've heard nothing to back that up and from all indications Fisher wants to bring in someone with experience running a defense. 

Which assistants are staying, going?

As Warchant.com indicated on Sunday, it looks like James Coley will be staying on at Florida State. While Coley appears to be sticking around, everything points to at least one FSU assistant joining Mark Stoops at Kentucky.


During Stoops' Sunday press conference from Kentucky, he said that discussing names of any FSU coaches that might become part of his staff wouldn't be fair to the players back at Florida State. That's a pretty clear signal that he has at least one FSU coach targeted for his new staff.


The most likely candidates to join Stoops in Kentucky are D.J. Eliot and/or Greg Hudson. Eliot makes the most sense since he was effectively brought in to FSU by Stoops. The two coached together before FSU and Eliot has a working knowledge of what Stoops like to do defensively. The only possible negative is that Eliot has no experience as a defensive coordinator, if that's where Stoops wants him at. Not sure why he would leave FSU to coach without getting a promotion at Kentucky.


Greg Hudson on the other hand does have extensive experience running a defense both at East Carolina and Minnesota. However, the two did not have a working relationship before coming together at FSU.


There may be a third assistant coachin play for another job but it has nothing to do with Kentucky. Special teams coordinator and running back coach Eddie Gran is on the short list for the head coaching vacancy at Southern Miss. While he's probably not the top pick for the Golden Eagles we've been told that he is under serious consideration. If offered the position you would expect Gran to jump on it.


As with the defensive coordinator position at FSU, the situation with the assistant coaches will probably be settled in the near future.

Fisher.... again

The rumors and "reports" continute to fly that Jimbo Fisher is a serious candidate for various head coaching vacancies. The hottest thing flying around is Fisher and the opening at Tennessee.


In talking to the publisher of VolQuest and others close to the program there's little doubt that FSU's 47-year old head coach is high on Tennessee's wish list. However, as we've been telling people for weeks it takes two to tango. We still hear nothing on this end other than that Fisher is totally focused in on FSU and has zero interest in any of the current openings. There is also nothing to back up the rumors that Fisher might be interviewing for the job any time soon.

Don't be surprised if Tennessee hires Butch Davis this week.


There are no absolutes when it comes to this stuff and situations can change over night. But we've done our due diligence in trying to look under every stone when it comes to the Jimbo Fisher rumors and there's simply nothing that we can find to lend any support to them.



This post was edited on 12/3 6:10 PM by Dot Com

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