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So Bernie and the search committee could find no suitable replacement for the job of president at U Fla in Gainesville.  Looks like Bernie has to stay on and not retire.

Machen rescinds retirement as UF president




This post was edited on 1/9 9:36 AM by Mac_Nole

1/9 4:07 AM | IP: Logged
I was just coming on here to post this. How does everyone feel about the announcement?

I get the sense that a lot of UF alumni aren't necessarily happy with  the progress (or lack thereof) under Machen.

Here's another story in the Gainesville Sun > link.
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Local newscast last night reported that Machen was in part persuaded to stay because Gov. Scott promised to make UF a top ten public University.

This sets off warning bells in my head. Wonder if there was a pledge made to name UF the "flagship" of the SUS?

Get ready for it.
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Originally posted by goldmom
Local newscast last night reported that Machen was in part persuaded to stay because Gov. Scott promised to make UF a top ten public University.

This sets off warning bells in my head. Wonder if there was a pledge made to name UF the "flagship" of the SUS?

Get ready for it.



I read the same thing. Looks like the governor and the SUS promised Machen that they'd work with him get UF at top 10.

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This is going to be a fight if FSU is not included.
1/9 9:37 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Mac_Nole
This is going to be a fight if FSU is not included.


Looks like the under-the-table deal has already been made. It will be interesting to see how this will all play out in the end.

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I very seriously doubt Scott cut some deal with Machen. Money would be the biggest driver and where are the extra funds going to come from. Scott is also up for reelection and I can't imagine him trying to push such a divisive issue given his current poll numbers.
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I would certainly feel better if FSU President Barron was in the media with the Governor explaining this goal for Florida State.
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Scott has been pretty adamant about his opposition to tuition increases. His recent BOG appointments were packed with people who have assured Scott they would share his philosophy. From my perspective, the biggest thing holding both FSU and UF back right now is money. If Scott will not allow tuition to be raised, where will the money come from? Scott isn't going to raise taxes, so I don't see how the legislature is going to find a lot more money to give to UF. Perhaps Scott whats to look like he cares about education, so he asks Machen to stay on because Machen would best be able to lead UF through another round of budget cuts. 
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Originally posted by Democratic Nole:
Scott has been pretty adamant about his opposition to tuition increases. His recent BOG appointments were packed with people who have assured Scott they would share his philosophy. From my perspective, the biggest thing holding both FSU and UF back right now is money. If Scott will not allow tuition to be raised, where will the money come from? Scott isn't going to raise taxes, so I don't see how the legislature is going to find a lot more money to give to UF. Perhaps Scott whats to look like he cares about education, so he asks Machen to stay on because Machen would best be able to lead UF through another round of budget cuts. 



That would make more sense if other Universities in the system weren't beginning to get pushback from student movements to freeze or roll back tuition.  

Jax news has been full of reporting about a student movement taking off at UNF and quickly gaining traction to push for just that. 

Anyone who doesn't believe that a legislature once again top heavy with UF grads will find a way to help UF hasn't lived through the thrilling days of yesteryear with that bunch, enduring the jokes and insults poked FSU's way.   

We may see the unveiling of the Way Back Time Machine.  
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Originally posted by goldmom:



Originally posted by Democratic Nole:
Scott has been pretty adamant about his opposition to tuition increases. His recent BOG appointments were packed with people who have assured Scott they would share his philosophy. From my perspective, the biggest thing holding both FSU and UF back right now is money. If Scott will not allow tuition to be raised, where will the money come from? Scott isn't going to raise taxes, so I don't see how the legislature is going to find a lot more money to give to UF. Perhaps Scott whats to look like he cares about education, so he asks Machen to stay on because Machen would best be able to lead UF through another round of budget cuts. 



That would make more sense if other Universities in the system weren't beginning to get pushback from student movements to freeze or roll back tuition.  

Jax news has been full of reporting about a student movement taking off at UNF and quickly gaining traction to push for just that. 

Anyone who doesn't believe that a legislature once again top heavy with UF grads will find a way to help UF hasn't lived through the thrilling days of yesteryear with that bunch, enduring the jokes and insults poked FSU's way.   

We may see the unveiling of the Way Back Time Machine.  
Goldmom, I am the last person to underestimate UF's ability to manipulate the legislature. My efforts on the flagship bill in 2010 should reassure you in that fact. However, in this particular case, the only thing I can see helping UF get into the top ten is more money. The tuition bill that would have given UF and FSU special status would have made that happen. Without that on the table, it will be very difficult for the legislature to provide UF with a bunch of money to assist in this effort. I know that Barron and Machen do talk. Part of the reason I think UF and FSU were included from the get go on differential tuition is that Machen learned from the flagship fiasco and knew his chances of getting UF what it wants were better if FSU is included. If we had a different governor, that bill would have been signed into law. Even though it really hampers the rest of the state schools and clearly set UF and FSU apart from the rest, there wasn't much motivated opposition to it. Had FSU been excluded, it would have been a repeat of the flagship fiasco. 
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It certainly looks like there's some deal.  Here's a story from Saturday's Tampa Bay Times:

But in a column he wrote exclusively for the Tampa Bay Times that can be read at tampabay.com/opinion
and in Sunday's Perspective section, Machen said he received assurances
from the governor that UF would get the resources it needs to rise in
national prominence.

"As you may have read in the news, UF was in
the final stages of its search process for my successor last week when
Florida Gov. Rick Scott asked me to remain at UF's helm," Machen wrote.
"He said he would give me his full support in helping UF join the ranks
of the nation's best public research universities."

The school
longs to break the top 10 list, joining institutions like the University
of Virginia, UCLA and the University of North Carolina. But first UF
needs to reduce its student-to-teacher ratio and do more to support
professors' research, Machen wrote.

That takes money, which is where Machen and Scott have disagreed.

Last
year, the governor vetoed a bill supported by Machen that would have
allowed UF and Florida State University unlimited freedom to raise
tuition.

This year, all of the state university presidents are
asking Scott to support $118 million in new funding for the system on
top of restoring $300 million cut last year. In turn, universities have
agreed not to raise tuition, but UF and FSU leaders said this is
separate from their efforts to obtain "pre-eminence" status.

Machen's
column indicates Scott has agreed to boost funding at UF. That could
mean he will devote more tax dollars to UF and other state universities.



I don't know where the money is coming from either, since in Scott's view, and with his BOG appointments, tuition increases are off the table.  I think it's more likely that he'll come up with some tiered earn-extra-money approach that benefits UF more than anyone else.  Otherwise, I don't see why Machen would stay.  I don't think merely recouping the $300 million taken away from universities in the last legislative session would be persuasive enough.  That's just giving back money they stole last year.

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Yet another article about this from a delighted UF journalist. 

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-15/news/fl-editorials-gov-scott-aspirational-promise-20130115_1_tuition-hikes-tuition-rates-public-universities

It sure sounds like UF has brokered a deal with Governor Scott that will be added to its overwhelming inordinate amount of taxpayer funding from the Florida Legislature compared to other state universities and its monopolies on research-oriented programs.  You have to admire UF's ability to scam the Florida government into giving it exponentially more money than any other Florida school and granting it monopolies over certain higher education programs.  UF has apparently now convinced Governor Scott that it's in the best interest of the State of Florida and the other state universities, including FSU, for only UF to move up in the U.S. News and World Report rankings.

"If UF can break into the top tier, all boats will rise because in higher education, you're known by the company you keep. If UF is perceived as an elite institution, it will help other Florida universities fight the bias that we don't measure up.
...

Given the politics of the university system, and FSU's prominence in the Capitol, it will be interesting to follow the governor's push to grow UF's preeminence."



We will be rooting for his success. For history tells us that if UF can break through, the competition will begin for who goes next."

This article makes it clear that the Editorial Board of the Sun-Sentinel is doing two things:  (1) it has signed on as a cheerleader for UF's lobbying efforts to require the Florida Legislature and Governor to give ONLY UF what it needs to rise in the U.S. News Rankings, and (2) it has sent a shot across FSU's bow to not interfere or attempt to share with UF's efforts.

Again, this is all in the historical context of UF fighting every effort that FSU has ever made to gain programs that would put it on equal footing with UF for generating research dollars.  UF has sought and obtained perpetual monopolies in academic programs through legislative mandate.  This is in the historical context of UF fighting FSU on every dollar that FSU has sought from the Florida legislature to build its infrastructure.  UF has sought and obtained exponentially more money from the Florida taxpayers than any other university to build its infrastructure.  This is in the historical context of UF fighting FSU on every dollar that FSU has sought from the Florida legislature to be adequately funded.  UF has sought and obtained exponentially more money from the Florida taxpayers for its annual budget.  UF programs like IFAS and its medical programs have budgets above and beyond the regular budgets received by other Florida universities. 

Mark my words.  This is a money grab by UF.  This will do nothing but hurt FSU.

Eric Barron better suit up and get ready for battle.

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It is time to put a Nole back into the governor's mansion. Get rid of Rick Scott and replace him with Charlie Crist!
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Originally posted by 9396Nole:
It is time to put a Nole back into the governor's mansion. Get rid of Rick Scott and replace him with Charlie Crist!



Oh, no.  No. No. No. No.
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It is time to put a Nole back into the governor's mansion. Get rid of Rick Scott and replace him with Charlie Crist!

9396

you have got be kidding........... Chalie Crist is the biggest joke since, (it been so long I cant remember)
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Millions of others and I would take a reanimated corpse over Rick Scott any day.
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Originally posted by 9396Nole:
Millions of others and I would take a reanimated corpse over Rick Scott any day.
This is NOT about the election right now.  
Stop trying to make about anything less than 100% about FSU at the moment.

Which is most important to you and where is your loyalty?


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My loyalty is always to FSU but there is nothing wrong with pointing out how Rick Scott is screwing this state again.  This time it's by favoring one school over another in his proposed budget.  In reality there should be multiple top ranked schools in a state as large as Florida.  As you know, our universities have always been politicized so discussing something political on an academics board is not out of the ordinary, especially in this context. 
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I've forgotten the long list of things that Charlie Crist did for FSU.  I'm sure he had FSU as his first priority, and if you'd be so kind to remind us...?
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It isn't just about FSU, it is about the entire state that your boy is screwing. Oh, and can you help with what baldy has done for FSU? I will take Charlie any day. You will recall Charlie was governor when the president of FSU's biggest concern was Bobby and Jeffrey. Not much Charlie could do for FSU as governor with TK in charge of things.
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Your poor choice of words and incorrect assumptions merely underscore the inappropriate nature of your posts for this particular board.

Again, I'd urge you to take it to the RC.
2/16 11:58 AM | IP: Logged
Goldmom, you are a broken record. You can urge all you want but if you were paying attention you would have realized that I started a couple threads about Governor Q Ball several weeks ago.

I would urge you to be as critical of others as you are me. Are you going to go wag your finger and lecture the person who referred to your boy as the "bald idiot in the capitol" in the FSU advocacy thread on, God forbid, an academic message board? Gasp! Oh the humanity!!
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I did notice them.  I also noticed the reaction that your posts received was mixed, at best.

Rick Scott is not my boy.  He is, however, bald.  Whether or not he is an idiot is probably not the best argument with which to make one's point regarding funding of higher education in this state, particularly when it is patently obvious that you are attempting to advocate politically for a certain person, and are trolling various venues in that effort.   

Just center the discussion on the need to pressure the Legislature to treat FSU equally, and the conversation will go well. 

Plenty of time and opportunity for politics at some later point,  don't you agree?

 
2/17 11:11 AM | IP: Logged
To the extent that there will be time to debate Rick Scott, I agree.

Now, wouldn't you agree it does not make sense to repeatedly urge me to "take it to the RC" then essentially admit that I have? And wouldn't you admit it is inconsistent to attack one poster (me) when many other on this academic board have been extremely critical of the governor? Sorry that the guy you voted for is the target of so much criticism. It must be getting lonely being a supporter of Scott's. That my posts about Rick Scott were met with mixed reaction on the RC, a board full of people who are adherents to an extremley right wing economic philosophy (the Austrian School), is not surprising. It is kind of funny in fact to watch given the nasty comments about Obama which I notice you have never criticized, right?

At the end of the day I will both criticize the governor and advocate for someone I support any day anywhere, especially as it relates to FSU. It is a message board. Lighten up.
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We'll agree to disagree, and I'll agree to let others judge your posts for content and relevance on their own. 
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