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Sorry, but scalping isn't allowed. Yes, the law in Florida changed, but that doesn't mean it's allowed on Warchant.com. If it becomes legal in the entire country, it will be revisited.

If you scalp tickets, OR booster packages, on the site you'll get the boot. If you post that you have tickets available and then ask folks for more than face value in an e-mail, it's the same thing. Trust me, they WILL let us know and you'll be invited off the site.

Them's the rules, per the owner.
7/22 3:34 PM | IP: Logged Don't you think it's a little hypocritical to not allow individuals accept what the market allows for their tickets but have sponsers such as ticketcity and stubhub that routinely sell tickets for far over face value?



Posted on 7/22 6:55 PM | IP: Logged

I am OK with it. It IS hypocritical though to not allow people to get more than face for a ticket when they can and then have people offer far less than face when they are plentiful.I just think buyers should step up and offer face for any tix they buy from a "fellow Nole" if they expect to get premium tix on here for face. It works both ways.

Posted on 7/22 8:05 PM | IP: Logged

This has already been discussed on another thread here about a month ago. There are a lot of reasons why people cannot scalp here and we don't plan on changing those rules.

As for others advertising on Warchant and then selling for over face value, that is their perogative since they are paying a marketing fee to Warchant. I have a feeling that if individuals wanted to pay a fee to advertise here then the rules might get changed.

The bottom line is that when selling tickets here, they will be sold for face or less. If you wish to sell for a higher price then head to eBay.



Posted on 7/22 10:44 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Nole229:
Don't you think it's a little hypocritical to not allow individuals accept what the market allows for their tickets but have sponsers such as ticketcity and stubhub that routinely sell tickets for far over face value?
I doubt you would be saying the same thing if you got tickets off of here for less than anywhere else. It's the website and their rules. If you don't like it, you don't have to sell them here.



Posted on 7/23 3:35 PM | IP: Logged

I have sold tickets on here for less and the ones the I would expect to get more for, I use myself. I just asked a question if scalping is such a horrible act around here why does this site have sponsers that make their business off it?



Posted on 7/23 4:24 PM | IP: Logged

There's more than enough hypocrisy to go around in this situation.Warchant has sponsors that scalp but won't allow paying members to do it. Buyers want tickets to premium games for face value yet don't want to pay face for lesser ones. As I have said in prevoius threads I am willing to sell ALL my available tix here to other NOLES for face value. However, if I don't get offered face or close for my lesser games I will be one of those that goes to eBay with my premiums when I have them. I have a feeling I won't be the only one.

Posted on 7/23 6:44 PM | IP: Logged

That's fine.



Posted on 7/23 8:23 PM | IP: Logged

There is nothing hypocritical about it. The statute requires that if a website sells tickets that it collect sales tax, post various notices and give a refund if the event is cancelled or the purchaser can't get in. I doubt the folks who run warchant want the hassle so you can make a couple of bucks when they don't get anything out of it. The websites you refer to make a profit or commission on the sales they generate.



Posted on 7/24 5:13 PM | IP: Logged

Ebay has been very, very good to me when selling some Bucs tix in the past month.

I don't agree with Warchant's stance here but hey, i don't own the site so I don't have to like it.

If you have tix and want to make some money, list em on Ebay.



Posted on 7/24 5:33 PM | IP: Logged

I stand by my statement. Warchant isn't selling the tickets and would obviously not be responsible for refunds etc. If that was so there wouldn't be a tickets and trades board at all. That is a copout. I am STILL OK with the no scalping policy. I would just like people to realize that if they expect to get premium tix on here for face value they will have to pay face for the lesser ones. If not, I am fine with going to eBay to sell my premiums when I have to.

Posted on 7/24 8:54 PM | IP: Logged

I won't argue. This is what the law says:
(3) Any tickets, other than the tickets in subsections (1)
and (2), that are resold or offered through an Internet website,
unless such website is authorized by the original ticket seller
or makes and posts the following guarantees and disclosures
through Internet web pages on which are visibly posted, or links
to web pages on which are posted, text to which a prospective
purchaser is directed before completion of the resale
transaction:
(a) The website operator guarantees a full refund of the
amount paid for the ticket including any servicing, handling, or
processing fees, if such fees are not disclosed, when:
1. The ticketed event is canceled;
2. The purchaser is denied admission to the ticketed
event, unless such denial is due to the action or omission of
the purchaser;
3. The ticket is not delivered to the purchaser in the
manner requested and pursuant to any delivery guarantees made by
the reseller and such failure results in the purchaser's
inability to attend the ticketed event.
(b) The website operator discloses that it is not the
issuer, original seller, or reseller of the ticket or items and
does not control the pricing of the ticket or items, which may
be resold for more than their original value.
(4) Nothing in this section authorizes any individual or
entity to sell or purchase tickets at any price on property
where an event is being held without the prior express written
consent of the owner of the property.
(5) Any sales tax due for resales under this section shall
be remitted to the Department of Revenue in accordance with s.
212.04.

Clearly there is far more liability for warchant under this statute then under the old one. If people are selling tickets for a profit then the State wants its cut and it makes the website owner responsible if something goes wrong.


Link: http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=hb600304er.html&Directory=session/2006/House/bills/billtext/html/


Posted on 7/24 11:00 PM | IP: Logged

It is still unclear to me that tickets that are resold or offered through an internet website pertains to the tickets and trades board.If Warchant was buying and selling the tickets I believe they would be liable but they are merely providing ad space for private resale transactions.If they are stating this new liability as the reason for not allowing scalping then wouldn't they have the same liabilities for tickets sold at face value or less. I just don't see where the alleged liability changes when the price goes over face value.Is there a part of the law at the beginning that you didn't cite? I believe we are probably on the same side of the issue, I just want to understand the technicalities before making any final judgements.All in all, I think the only effect this will have is to greatly reduce the availability of premium tickets at face value on this board. Most games will be unchanged.

Posted on 7/25 12:03 AM | IP: Logged

I will never challenge the warchant rules. But if the state allows scalping, so should warchant. This is something the site should reconsider. As a season ticket holder for numerous years, the state has now said I can sell my tickets for more than face. And for the few games I cannot make each year I will attempt to do so. It's sad that I may be forced to use another site and not warchant to do so.

BHT



Posted on 8/13 10:54 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BigHeadTooler:
I will never challenge the warchant rules. But if the state allows scalping, so should warchant. This is something the site should reconsider. As a season ticket holder for numerous years, the state has now said I can sell my tickets for more than face. And for the few games I cannot make each year I will attempt to do so. It's sad that I may be forced to use another site and not warchant to do so.

BHT

You forget the fact that the company the owns the system Warchant operates on is not located in Florida, hence Florida law is pretty much meaningless on the point.



Posted on 8/14 9:57 AM | IP: Logged

Hello fellow Noles.
Great posts.
My 2 cents.

With all due respect to Warchant/Dot/Rivals/Partners/Mods etc., etc., leave anyone out? .... It just don't wash about the so called scalping rules. Especially considering all the members who pay to view 'premium content', boards, etc., which then some of same (content) is then released to those who merely wander by and don't pay a dime. But hey, their site, their rules, that's cool by me. I am free to unsubscribe at anytime, I realize that.

Selling tix over face value does not always equate to scalping, but they can call it what they want. Package deals w/ stadium seats, hotels (at inflated costs during football season), priority games and parking passes are much more expensive to the seller than the so called face value of a ticket(s) and should be considered where applicable. Those options are clearly stated.

A website owner can control it to a certain degree, but there will be times when they can't, period. Disclaimers help a bunch, but it doesn't weed out all the oops, I forgot ... posters and other website owners who wander by and can get really, really creative.

It really doesn't matter, even without Warchant and partners, or eBay to sell, there are plenty of 'sites' that openly offer to sell seats over market value/fair value and some even offer to buy them, then resell them.

I enjoy reading posts on Warchant and get a huge kick out of some of the stories, I subscribe, very rarely post.

I'm a Booster to provide something back, and go to games,.. now that gets my juices flowing. My love for the great institution that provided a top notch education, provided the best time of my life, and allowed me to 'find' my wife. Now that's what I'm talking 'bout. Go Noles.

BTW, notice the increase in ads lately, not to mention the RSS Feeds. Way too funny. Much more clutter IMHO, looks like all the content was moved to make room for the ads. Maybe it was just reorganized to make room for more content. :)

Everyone has provided valid arguments for both sides, bottom line, it just don't matter. We are merely guests, er, paid guests. :)
Peace, noobs.
Go Noles!
----------------->
Mark



Posted on 8/20 10:14 AM | IP: Logged

Not being able to sell a parking pass here is just silly.



Posted on 8/30 2:43 PM | IP: Logged

Effect is a noun. Affect is the verb.

Posted on 8/31 4:06 PM | IP: Logged

parking pass rule is kinda overboard if you ask me.

Posted on 8/31 5:00 PM | IP: Logged

This rule could also lead to having to sell to Gators or other rivals. I persoanlly have tickets I have bought on the Boosters ticket exchange board, that I paid more than face for and need to sell, but cannot do it here where I feel I could know with some degree of certanty who I am selling them to.

Like someone else mentioned, the fact that they let you sell them at all on here, would subject them to some degree of liability if that were the law.

I am on here almost every day and would like to be able to sell the extra tickets I have to fellow Noles, but am not allowed to. Just another angle to think about.



Posted on 11/16 7:02 PM | IP: Logged

I agree with no scalping here--we're all Noles and face value is enough.



Posted on 7/19 8:23 PM | IP: Logged

FYI - The servers where this site is located in are in a state where scalping is not allowed. Would we or anybody else get in trouble if we allowed scalping? Probably not, but why should we take any chance whatsoever? We don't get anything out of this board and it's only here as a benefit to our users. And it takes two seconds to go to ebay or a ticket broker and buy scalped tickets if you wish. Not sure why there's a big outcry that you have to be able to buy and sell scalped tickets here when you can do it at a lot of other places.

FYI2 - We don't sell the ticket broker ads and don't get anything from them. That's all Rivals doing. If you want to cry hypocrisy, do it to Rivals since we have nothing to do with it.

This post was edited on 9/2 11:08 AM by Dot Com



Posted on 9/2 11:07 AM | IP: Logged

I completely agree with why Warchant doesn't allow it.. however.. I have never bought a ticket to a decent game without paying over face value.

Whatever though.



Posted on 9/24 11:54 AM | IP: Logged

What if the tickets are sky box seats. The face value of the "ticket" might be a lot less than the Booster has paid for the seat. The "seat" includes a ticket, plus food, open bar, etc. What is Warchant's position on this?

Posted on 9/30 10:56 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by WellingtonNole00:
I agree with no scalping here--we're all Noles and face value is enough.


I agree as well. Why would you want to Scalp a fellow Nole? We should look out for each other. This is one of the few sites I go to because I know I can find tickets at face and not some loser trying to rip me off.

Now the Parking pass rule is ridiculous.



Posted on 10/17 1:01 PM | IP: Logged

I agree completely.

Posted on 2/24 10:10 AM | IP: Logged

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This post was edited on 4/20 8:10 AM by cmanole



Posted on 4/20 7:39 AM | IP: Logged

#1 I agree with the Warchant policy in that it allows us to buy tickets or parking passes at face value (including tax and shipping mind you) from people who share a common interest. FSU athletics. Plus it's like a safe haven from having to pay full retail. I'm all for it. Keep the Warchant policy.

#2 Scalping is the act of BUYING OR SELLING, not just the latter. I've been "scalping" event tickets since high school as a hobby, to make extra cash, and to get better seats for the events I like to go to. I'm a quite good at it and have been dubbed the "Ticketmeister" by friends and family. They wonder how I'm so good at it. I'm also a terrific eBay'r. Anyway, Florida has finally wised up and removed the ticket scalping law. This is a free market economy. Capitalism at it's finest. I'm a full believer in entrepreneurship. It's what made our Country great. Which means if I buy a can of coke for $.50 and sell it to you for $1.00. No problem. I can buy a car wholesale for $5,000 and sell it on Autotrader for $7,000. No problem. I can buy a house on a shortsale for $200,000 and turn it around and sell it for $225,000 a month later if I wish. The same is true for event tickets. If someone is willing to pay what I'm asking for then so be it. Supply, demand and competition determine price. They taught me that right here in economics and finance classes at Florida State University. I just sold my FSU vs UNC tickets for a profit on Stubhub an that's the way it should be. However, if I sold them here on Warchant I would sell them for face or less.

Posted on 9/24 10:02 AM | IP: Logged

"...invited off the site.' laugh

How do sellers handle the shipping charges, such as FedEx, without breaking the rules? Noticed that someone on TC posted that they had tix for the NC State game for sale and were asking face + FedEx. Rather than go to StubHub, couldn't they post them here...or would the FedEx charge create a problem?



Posted on 10/24 9:07 PM | IP: Logged

Scalping should remain banned on Warchant no matter the law. The point of this site isn't to make money off your fellow Noles, it's to help each other out.

Getting off my soapbox...

Posted on 11/2 10:04 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by MrOsceola:
Scalping should remain banned on Warchant no matter the law. The point of this site isn't to make money off your fellow Noles, it's to help each other out.

Getting off my soapbox...



I didn't know that Warchant was a non-profit organization. roll

Posted on 11/6 10:51 PM | IP: Logged

I'm not a fan of scalping noles, but with the UF game coming up, I'd really like to list my extra ticket for a whopping $10 or $20 over face and I can't do it here. No way am I going to stubhub or ebay where a gator could buy it. I don't at all like that the "Booster Exchange" is now just a link to stubhub. Boosters are essentially encouraging us to put tickets out there for anyone to pick up. Even here, I question some people who pop up with just a few posts or no posts in the past 6 months but suddenly want a hot ticket. Fortunately, in this instance I should be able to find a good Nole through personal contacts.

I won't question the policy, but I don't like it.

Posted on 11/15 10:32 AM | IP: Logged

So much for capitalism!



Posted on 8/23 12:31 AM | IP: Logged

Effect is a noun and a verb. It just depends how you use it.



Posted on 8/23 12:37 AM | IP: Logged

I agree! I am suppose to get shafted on PRIORITY seats I get my MY booster points and sell tickets that arent available ANYWHERE for face value, but someone can lowball me to death via email. My philosophy, if you dont like the price, don't guy them. But don't disable the people willing to pay the price to come to the game. After all I dont get a price break on my booster level and season ticket price for the 2 cupcakes we play every year... I dont own the site so I guess my opinion is null and void.. but its seriously hypocritical.. I will use EBay..



Posted on 9/12 2:43 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by JaxNole82:
I agree! I am suppose to get shafted on PRIORITY seats I get my MY booster points and sell tickets that arent available ANYWHERE for face value, but someone can lowball me to death via email. My philosophy, if you dont like the price, don't guy them. But don't disable the people willing to pay the price to come to the game. After all I dont get a price break on my booster level and season ticket price for the 2 cupcakes we play every year... I dont own the site so I guess my opinion is null and void.. but its seriously hypocritical.. I will use EBay..



Those are the rules. We'd hope Noles look out for fellow Noles. If you're looking to profit, EBay and StubHub are out there for you to utilize.



Posted on 9/13 8:48 PM | IP: Logged

well said crowl, go elsewhere if you want to make a profit.

Posted on 9/22 9:56 PM | IP: Logged

So what we seem to be advocating is that Nole fans should put their tickets on ebay or stub hub or the opponents website so our enemies buy the tickets. Ridiculous!!



Posted on 12/17 11:02 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by westpalmnole:
So what we seem to be advocating is that Nole fans should put their tickets on ebay or stub hub or the opponents website so our enemies buy the tickets. Ridiculous!!



What we are advocating is selling to fellow Noles at face value, not making a profit on them.



Posted on 12/20 10:59 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by JaxNole82:
I agree! I am suppose to get shafted on PRIORITY seats I get my MY booster points and sell tickets that arent available ANYWHERE for face value, but someone can lowball me to death via email. My philosophy, if you dont like the price, don't guy them. But don't disable the people willing to pay the price to come to the game. After all I dont get a price break on my booster level and season ticket price for the 2 cupcakes we play every year... I dont own the site so I guess my opinion is null and void.. but its seriously hypocritical.. I will use EBay..


You also don't pay a premium for the good games every year. The reason you buy tickets is because the price is of value to you.



Posted on 12/21 7:11 AM | IP: Logged

My only problem with this rule is that I'd rather sell my premium tickets to Nole fans on this site than to non Nple fans on other (Stub Hub, Ebay, etc.) sites! But I guess rules are rules!!!

Posted from wireless.rivals.com



Posted on 10/15 6:46 AM | IP: Logged

Isn't a little ironic that we can't scalp tickets on here but the site itself can advertise for a ticket company that sells tickets for over face value?
11/19 11:25 AM | IP: Logged
This policy smacks of holier than thou over simple logic, and hurts the paying posters, mostly the buyers! They would most likely find a better deal here than anywhere else, albeit, still higher than face value. The site isn't selling anything, so I just don't get the banning of discussing it. 

It also IS hypocritical for site owners to push "scalping" sites at the same time that discussion amongst posters is banned.
12/14 12:23 PM | IP: Logged

It seems a little unfortunate, Seat Geek advertises on Warchant but we can't advertise via a post here if we have seats?  I think its a win win for everybody if I could buy seats direct at 800-1000, whatever market value is from a fellow Nole via this site, to insure another Nole sits in the seats. If this policy is truly to avoid any issues with scalp laws fine, but if its for taking the high road attitude Noles lucky to get tickets shouldn't scalp seats to other Noles at a profit is just naive.  Its happening, its gonna happen, lets insure Noles get those seats.
12/14 3:56 PM | IP: Logged
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