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Originally posted by SavvysNole:



Originally posted by smoothrider20:
Put us in a Big 12 eastern division with Miami, WVU, Clemson and a few others and that's not bad at all.

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Screw miami! They can stay in the ACC and rot, then eventually become an afterthought.


It actually helps us if they come so we are not isolated. I would not piss on Miami if they were on fire, but them coming would help us.

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12/3 4:54 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Shawn7711:
So...with the threat of the conference falling apart could that force the renegotiation of the current tv deal?
I wish. 

I wish we could do what the BIG 12 did when they faced imminent doom not 2 years ago.  Fire our commissioner boldly, and publicly and put someone up there that cares about the interest of all schools especially the football schools.  Then go get a monster TV deal.  I think thats everybody's gripe with our conference.

I only want the BIG 12 offer if we could leverage it into an SEC offer.
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Originally posted by AllNoles:
You're crazy of you think that ESPN gave us a contract that allowed us to demand the ability to negotiate bases on replacing Md with Louisville. I'm sure there are renegotiation triggers, but they're written in ESPN's favor. And, it doesn't just let the conference run ba to the open market.

ND and NBC will negotiate ND's television rights, not the ACC's. I bet that happens very soon after the season since NDis in the MNC game.

No, it's not crazy, and it could work out in the ACC or ESPN's favor determined on the situation. Better deal for better/more programming. Worse deal for lesser teams/programs and/or less programming. You think they're actually gonna let the deal be the same based on two completely different programs and ND (partially for now) being in the ACC? Absolutely not.

BTW...the ACC gets the TV revenue for ND games hosted on ACC campuses. So yea, i think one way or the other that current deal we have is gonna be renegotiated.

NBC wants more college football. They have made this known. They could get a great partial deal with ESPN and the ACC with Notre Dame once the current ND deal expires. If they get $15 million per year from them now, and that is right around what we get from the ACC, both parties would benefit from having a joint deal.

It's not that hard to fathom, it's simple business. Now, what ND has to figure out is bowl money. They would have to determine if it's worth it to share bowl money. Remember...they aren't cash strapped like other schools are and that affects their decision making.




This post was edited on 12/3 5:07 PM by 71/BORASCH/06

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Originally posted by Nole Daddy:




Originally posted by SavvysNole:






Originally posted by smoothrider20:
Put us in a Big 12 eastern division with Miami, WVU, Clemson and a few others and that's not bad at all.

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Screw miami! They can stay in the ACC and rot, then eventually become an afterthought.




It actually helps us if they come so we are not isolated. I would not piss on Miami if they were on fire, but them coming would help us.

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I'd rather bring another team from the South. I want miami to burn and become irrelevant so it totally screws them with recruits in SoFl.
12/3 5:01 PM | IP: Logged

Love these updates. Thanks Gene.

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Originally posted by NJNOLES:
 I say leave them behind and demand 2 home games for every 1 road game in return with Miami. They will have zero leverage on us if they are left behind in a depleted ACC.


a trip to Miami every other year is good for recruiting, good for fans,  and pretty much still a home game.
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Let's shock them all and leave for the Big 10 with Georgia Tech.  The Big 10 would love to get into the Florida Market as well.  A lot of there alumni live in Florida now as snow birds. 
12/3 5:11 PM | IP: Logged
Great report covering the top story lines. I like this format much more than the "Three things about........" pieces. Those may have some worthwhile data but this is reporting here, data, context, potential implications. Nice work.

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12/3 5:13 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by AllNoles:

The ACC is not negotiating with NBC. First, ND is not sharing that deal. Second, the ACC is under a decade plus long contract.
And ND doesn't have rights to that deal beyond 2015, so yes, NBC can and will try to negotiate with the ACC. My opinion.

The ACC/ESPN deal is renegotiable based on the adding and subtracting of teams. Doesn't matter how long the term is. Not my opinion.
renegotiate, yes.  Opened up to the rest of the market?, doubt it.  
12/3 5:15 PM | IP: Logged
Bradley Dale Peveto

I cannot believe there has not been more commentary about this name. Does anybody know anything more about him?

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12/3 5:16 PM | IP: Logged
I wonder if some of you aren't judging Hudson's jobs with the linebackers prematurely or too harshly and not looking at some other possible reasons for your dissatisfaction with the linebackers. This year there was very little depth and thus little competition in practice and little room to move guys around, 

That said, I myself want a return to an attacking style of defense. I'm not sure how Hudson does or does not fit into that though. To me bend don't break often turns into playing not to lose rather than playing to win and affects the mindset of the athletes negatively and gives the opponent hope. It also tends to leave the defense on the field too long and keeps your own offense off the field. Failing to create turnovers does the same thing. I'd rather give up a few more big plays but create more turnovers and havoc and demoralize the opponent. I'd rather be the team that can take away and hold the ball at the end of the game.
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Originally posted by The Real Sonny:

Seems to me, that with Maryland having left the conference, we have a new issue with regard to the buyout.

First, I don't accept that the conference can unilterially up the exit fee the way they did without the permission of the member schools.  Similarly, I don't believe that Warchant tomorrow, could create an "exit" fee for subscribers.

That said, I think the argument is pretty good now though, that a school could leave the league and say the exit fee no longer applies, since the members of the conference are now different.  I would take the position that the exit fee only applied, if at all, to the league that included Maryland, since really, all a conference is is, a union of schools anyway.



As a member of the multi-party contract, we had knowledge of the terms of the agreement.  The agreement was altered, per the formalized & agreed to process.  It doesn't matter if we didn't vote for it, the required # of schools did.  The only hope is that the 50million is determined to be a penalty (which it should in Maryland's case.. which will show us what it will take to leave the conference). 

In the US Constitution, the strongest power is in 3/4ths of the States.  The amending power beats any other branch's position... 3/4ths of the States could dissolve the Union entirely.  I am no expert in contract law, but the law of compacts flows from the same theories as the Constitution.

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Bob Shoop is someone I know personally, in 3 yrs at WM he put 8 guys in the NFL, including Derek Cox, Adrian Tracy and Sean Lissemore, and in 2009 WM had an absolute shutdown defense.

He uses a base 4-3, and utilizes LBs very agressively, his scheme relies on shutdown CBs, because it tends to leave them out there on an island, he had that at WM, and from what I could follow this yr, he is beginning to get that at Vandy.

He did have a lot of trouble with option teams, like Ga Southern and JMU.

Overall I think he'd be a diamond in the rough kind of hire. His brother used to be the OC at UNC.

His wife is a fitness instructor, nice lady.

Ok thats all I know on him.
12/3 5:23 PM | IP: Logged
Good stuff Gene.
12/3 5:28 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by PBGBeano:
THIS! Is why I've subscribed to Warchant for over 10 years. Great work Gene on gathering facts on the internal workings of the program.

Of course I'd be remiss if I didn't say I also enjoy reading most of the Looney Tunes on The Tribal Council. Where else can you get comic relief like this for $100.00 a year?



 
12/3 5:31 PM | IP: Logged
Dear Georgia Tech,

Please leave.
12/3 5:34 PM | IP: Logged
great stuff, dot - thanks!

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12/3 5:35 PM | IP: Logged
FSU and Clemson colluding to go to the Big 12, and securing a legitimate offer from the Big 12 to join the conference, is probably our best shot at getting an invite from the SEC. Basically, in the previous round of realignment FSU and Clemson were not a serious threat to go anywhere, so there wasn't any pressure on the SEC to "lock down the southeast" like there would be if we had an offer from the B12. It gives us and Clemson leverage, something we lacked this time last year.

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12/3 5:36 PM | IP: Logged

Not sure why flying to many of the Big 12 schools is much different than flying up north to Boston or Virginia?

I think Miami is DONE. They don't have the money and can't spend the money to become relevant again. I have very little respect for them but I think USF has a better future which isn't saying much.
12/3 5:38 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by FLYINGNOLE:

Not sure why flying to many of the Big 12 schools is much different than flying up north to Boston or Virginia?

Plane costs are more expensive to Big 12 schools, other than Dallas or Austin.
12/3 5:43 PM | IP: Logged
Since he made the "short list" on the defensive coordinator hot board, what are the odds the Bud Foster could be the man?  I've always respected his defense and believe his 4-2-5 scheme would be an excellent fit.
12/3 5:43 PM | IP: Logged

I don't often want expansion talk, but when I do...I want it from a "Platinum Chief". 
12/3 5:43 PM | IP: Logged
If FSU could go to the Big 12 and take Miami and more of an eastern footprint I'm sold.......
Going without Miami is stupid......
That will leave them behind with to clear a shot to the title......

I still think the ACC could be proactive by switching more north and south
So people can get some butts in the seats
And start to command local and regional coverage
12/3 5:44 PM | IP: Logged

I see renegadewarrior9,

For the love of God please Georgia Tech continue to keep the ball rolling and leave.

I do not think we should wait on Georgia Tech or anyone else to begin negotiations with the SEC and the Big 12.

Florida State should also begin negotiations with the ACC also.

I know this will never happen but if for example the ACC agreed to pay tv money based on nielson ratings and allow the school that makes into the playoffs or the Orange Bowl or ACC Championship game to get half the revenue paid out to the league then Florida State and the other football schools would be hard pressed on leaving.


If the ACC was willing to do all of the above examples then I think the ACC would even have a shot at Notre Dame for full time membership.


 




 
12/3 5:45 PM | IP: Logged

Thanks Gene, I really needed the sanity. Boards have been filled with a lot of b/s lately. They were driving me to the point of dropping out. Again, Thanks.
12/3 5:45 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by smoothrider20
Put us in a Big 12 eastern division with Miami, WVU, Clemson and a few others and that's not bad at all.


it moved

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12/3 5:45 PM | IP: Logged
I'm praying we wind up in the SEC. It's the only way we'll get any respect. If we were in the SEC we wouldn't be playing N. Illinois.
12/3 6:02 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Noles229:

Originally posted by smoothrider20
Put us in a Big 12 eastern division with Miami, WVU, Clemson and a few others and that's not bad at all.


it moved

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Mine too.
12/3 6:07 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:


Originally posted by Noles229:

Originally posted by smoothrider20
Put us in a Big 12 eastern division with Miami, WVU, Clemson and a few others and that's not bad at all.


it moved

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Mine too.



I can relate

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12/3 6:13 PM | IP: Logged

Ellis Johnson would be awesome!
12/3 6:15 PM | IP: Logged

Did Peveto "opt to not return" or get fired?   His record as a HC was a disaster with 0-11 (09), 5-6 (10), 5-6 (11) and 4-7 (12) which included 9-19 in the conference and 14-30 overall.
12/3 6:18 PM | IP: Logged
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.
12/3 6:24 PM | IP: Logged
Should we update Ellis Johnson's Wikipedia page or am I reading to much into this?
12/3 6:27 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by nolefan04:

Ellis Johnson would be awesome!


I concur!
12/3 6:28 PM | IP: Logged
Ellis Johnson is my #1 choice. Hope we get him.

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12/3 6:31 PM | IP: Logged

FSU & Clemson should have been taken by the SEC ahead of A&M and Missouri... If it takes courting the Big 12 to wake the SEC up then so be it. FSU needs to be in the SEC! I would rather be 2nd or 3rd place in the SEC then 1st place in the ACC at this point.

I like the fact that Jimbo is pursuing a more aggressive defensive coordinator, maybe he could pursue a more aggressive offensive coordinator to go along with it.

We are all giving our two cents now... if Winston is starting QB next year wait until the starter screws up a time or two! We will all be screaming for Winston to play!

Again, too much talent to be passified with ACC championships!
12/3 6:32 PM | IP: Logged
Great work!

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12/3 6:39 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by nolefan04:

Ellis Johnson would be awesome!
Yeah it would, but he runs a 4-2-5.  On the Bright side, we have Karlos and he fits perfectly in his scheme at the OLB/DB position.  
12/3 6:41 PM | IP: Logged
That has got to be one of the best War Rooms ever published.  Lots of goodies in there.

Ellis Johnson info sounds good.  Bet we hear something this week.
12/3 6:47 PM | IP: Logged
I agree fantastic reporting.
It's very encouraging to read about us finally waking up to getting out of the ACC

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12/3 6:49 PM | IP: Logged
Am I the only one who thinks Ellis Johnson is good, but would prefer a younger DC?
12/3 6:49 PM | IP: Logged
The only DC candidate I see with NFL exp. is Travis Jones now with the Saints. He was under consideration before stoops was hired.

This post was edited on 12/3 7:03 PM by jbob

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I'm not a lawyer, but it is safe to assume that if GT also leaves the conference FSU and Clemson can neogiate the fee down claiming we have been greatly impacted by the loss of those two teams. Therefore, we should not be held to the full exit fee since the conference is not the same as when we entered into that arrangement.
12/3 6:57 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Nolebra Kai:
Ellis Johnson is my #1 choice. Hope we get him.

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He's been mine too and who I have been telling everybody I want. He did more with less at South Carolina for years and South Carolina currently has the most DBs in the NFL than any other college team... and how many 5 star players have they gotten the years he was there? 4 star? ... i do worry a little about his age, though

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12/3 6:59 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolefan04

Ellis Johnson would be awesome!



yes sir

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12/3 7:12 PM | IP: Logged

Why do people in this thread keep saying Hudson's name in regard to FSU's DC spot?  Dot's report is referencing the possibility of Hudson going with Stoops and being his DC at Kentucky, not being DC here.
12/3 7:15 PM | IP: Logged
Ellis Johnson would be home run and probably wouldn't have to worry about losing him to hc job after the last year.
12/3 7:21 PM | IP: Logged
And the link on the SEC Digital Network Website is still showing 2013 Expansion though referencing Mizzou and TA&M.

Hover over "The SEC" under the Georgia logo.

May be nothing, may be something.

They have screwed up before on that web site
12/3 7:21 PM | IP: Logged
I am in Big 10 country currently so I watch too many of there games. Lets not leave for the Big 10 it is terrible and while the the money would benefit the school going forward I as fan would rather not play those garbage teams and just play the garbage teams that are closer in proximity at this time.



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Originally posted by SavvysNole:
Am I the only one who thinks Ellis Johnson is good, but would prefer a younger DC?



No.  I agree.
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