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Nothing against Wilcox but what has he done so far? Now if he found an outside source to help fund the increase then I'm right along with ya.
11/12 3:58 PM | IP: Logged
Great News. I totally support this.
11/12 4:03 PM | IP: Logged

He has certainly earned it... 29 - 2 the last 31 games...
11/12 4:04 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by emeraldnole:
About freaking time.

Yes 4mil or higher is good with me. Jimbo has shown he can keep the team focused further with the stomping at Wake. I see no reason why he shoulldn't be in the top 4 of 8 of highest paid. 

Something makes me think when Bobby Bowden made that comment at his press conference at the NC State game, "FSU's gonna have to get their checkbook out too", something makes me think that got back around to Barron and Wilcox or they saw it themselves, I'm not sure if they were present in the room for that press conference or not. I mean it was a no brainer he was getting a raise and an extension, but most of us were penciling 3.5mill to be the figure, now it's more like 4 - 4.5mil with probably a 6 year contract. 

I just know that before that little comment was made it seemed like FSU was sitting on it's hands and the feeling was more of a 1 year addition and a salary of 3.5mil, now they are going to put him up in the elite area, something sparked that.

I bet you though there will be a performance clause in that contract. I can see something stating that if Jimbo didn't maintain a certain win loss record and bowl wins that the buyout on the contract fall precipitously. It's not that FSU can't afford to pay Jimbo 4.5-5mil a year, it's the fact of the buyout if he doesn't pan out and we want another coach, that's where it gets sticky for FSU. Because then we are paying 10mil a year instead of 5mil. More and more companies are going to a performance based salary these days and it's a good thing, it keeps everyone motivated. Static salaries just don't work unless you find that rare breed that just wants to work their asses off for the same amount. Which with every generation is fading and fading. 

I guess now we get to see if Wilcox was the right guy, how he sets up this contract will probably determine his fate at FSU.


It seemed like FSU was sitting on its hands because neither you or I are privy to the discussions between Fisher and our admin.

Dot puts out a story three weeks ago that suggests we weren't doing anything about it, even though there are quotes in the article from multiple BOT members that contradict and say they've discussed it.

The whole discussion has been nothing but people guessing that nothing was happening even when the BOT told you it was.

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11/12 4:08 PM | IP: Logged
$4 million seems a little steep until we atleast make a championship. We must be fighting off Texas or other top schools. At the time, I was for Barron not extending Jimbo and agreed with him but it seems to now to have been the wrong choice. I want Jimbo to stay but $4 million is on the high side. I am for the assistants getting a raise too

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11/12 4:23 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by ColaNoles:
$4 million seems a little steep until we atleast make a championship. We must be fighting off Texas or other top schools. At the time, I was for Barron not extending Jimbo and agreed with him but it seems to now to have been the wrong choice. I want Jimbo to stay but $4 million is on the high side. I am for the assistants getting a raise too

What people don't realize is that last years extension has no bearing on this deal. We'd be in the same spot and still competing against the same schools regardless

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11/12 4:23 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by MobileAlNole:
It would nice if we could be a little more competitive in the assistant pay as well.
I'm pretty sure that's next on the agenda. Have to take care of the top guy first.

That's good to hear. And I hope that's the case. We don't need musical chairs to keep being the game played by 7 assistant coaches every offseason. Even though it didn't last year a mass exodus of assistants every three years will eventually erode recruiting efforts.
11/12 4:25 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Noleaholic:
Nothing against Wilcox but what has he done so far? Now if he found an outside source to help fund the increase then I'm right along with ya.
What do you want him to have done?

We get $5MM+ extra revenue from the new playoff framework each year for the next year 12 years. We get $4MM from the kick off game. Theres 9MM next year alone, and a minimum of $5+ each year thereafter plus potential for more.
11/12 4:27 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by nole14:



Originally posted by PrestonInTexas:
I guess I am in the minority here, 2012 was a great team but still disappointing with losses against NC ST and UF, now we are on track and things look great but I still think everything needs to play out before giving a guy a huge 68% raise.  If we brings a title home then yea he's earned it but think we need to let things play out.



What would you suggest if we go 13-1, losing to Bama in the title game, when preseason picks had us 11-2 or 10-3 in the Chik Fil-a Bowl?

Let him be happy with a 3 year deal?

Come on, man............


Yep.  If we fail to win it all with a freshman QB and after losing what was it? .....11 draft picks?....we shouldn't give Jimbo an extension.  

Luckily the people at the top do indeed see the value in Jimbo.

I guess my "source" was right. Heh.


11/12 4:29 PM | IP: Logged

Outstanding!
11/12 4:32 PM | IP: Logged

Pay him five milliuon a year and shut this yearly conversation down for a long time.
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If I'm Wilcox and I want to make sure my investment makes lots of money, I tell Jumbo "here's your money, you do the coaching...I'll take care of the scheduling."
11/12 4:48 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Dot Com:





Originally posted by MobileAlNole:
It would nice if we could be a little more competitive in the assistant pay as well.


I'm pretty sure that's next on the agenda. Have to take care of the top guy first.



Exactly! Plus, that extra 10 to 15K  in the stands, even on slow Saturdays, will help with the fodder. And, the extra 10K boosters goes a longggg ways!
11/12 4:59 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Noleaholic:
Nothing against Wilcox but what has he done so far? Now if he found an outside source to help fund the increase then I'm right along with ya.
True, I mean he hasn't scheduled one flyover yet!
11/12 5:18 PM | IP: Logged

Not surprised at all folks here were getting in a tizzy over nothing. It was extremely naive to think Fisher wasn't going to get a contract extension and be paid even better. Patience!
11/12 5:27 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Pben:

Originally posted by Noleaholic:
Nothing against Wilcox but what has he done so far? Now if he found an outside source to help fund the increase then I'm right along with ya.
True, I mean he hasn't scheduled one flyover yet!
Nor has he broken up a fight at Howser. Get to work, Stan!
11/12 5:30 PM | IP: Logged

Here we are negotiating a new contracct with our excelllent head coach and talking about assistants increases as well, while that other university is trying to find away to jetison the biggest bunch of boobs ever assembled on a side line.
It is great to be a Florida State Seminole.
11/12 5:51 PM | IP: Logged
All I am saying is let things play out a bit instead of acting now when everyone's emotions are high with what seems to be nothing in our way to National Championship game.  It wasn't too long ago Gene Chizik won a National title and was fired two years later costing Auburn 11.09 million.  We also need to remember we got a lot of players here with the hype of a new coach and by their primary recruiter, assistance coaches, many of who left.  Also, where would Jimbo want to go?  He is in one of the best three states for recruiting and a powerhouse program regardless.... think he wants to start over at UT?  I'm not saying he doesn't justify a raise and longer contract but I still think things need to play out and give it time.
11/12 6:00 PM | IP: Logged
You dont know much about much if you are comparing Chiziks situation to what Coach Fishers could be.

This post was edited on 11/12 6:04 PM by MobileAlNole

11/12 6:03 PM | IP: Logged
This is a well deserved promotion.
11/12 6:08 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by PrestonInTexas:
All I am saying is let things play out a bit instead of acting now when everyone's emotions are high with what seems to be nothing in our way to National Championship game.  It wasn't too long ago Gene Chizik won a National title and was fired two years later costing Auburn 11.09 million.  We also need to remember we got a lot of players here with the hype of a new coach and by their primary recruiter, assistance coaches, many of who left.  Also, where would Jimbo want to go?  He is in one of the best three states for recruiting and a powerhouse program regardless.... think he wants to start over at UT?  I'm not saying he doesn't justify a raise and longer contract but I still think things need to play out and give it time.
The time has already been given.  Jimbo has shown he has everything necessary to do a great job at this university.

You can attempt to spin it all you want, but the right decision is being made here.
11/12 6:09 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Bad Nole:




 
11/12 6:25 PM | IP: Logged
After we lock Jimbo up, let's lock those assistants up too. They have done a great job...

This post was edited on 11/13 9:48 AM by ChopNole

11/12 6:28 PM | IP: Logged
Great news! I agree with Chop, the assistants should be next.
11/12 6:42 PM | IP: Logged
If you people can't see the dramatic improvement in this program under JF you need to find another team to cheer for. He is by far the best coach we could ever hope for. We need to tie him up for as long as he is agreeable to stay here.
11/12 7:07 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Stat Boy Slan:
For a man who likes to label everything under the sun as a distraction and "clutter"...contract negotiations in the ballpark of $4M/yr in the midst of a national championship run may be the most colossal-sized piece of clutter you could inject into the "process"

Not saying he doesn't deserve it but can't this stuff just be tabled until after the entire season is over...or does he have to leverage everything now in the event he gets out-coached in the biggest game of his life?
GTFO Dude!
11/12 7:34 PM | IP: Logged
Great news and it is also good news that our new AD can handle this very important issue in his first year on the job.
11/12 7:51 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SeminoleTom:
This is a well deserved promotion.
Who was promoted?

Or is the McRib sticking around at McDonalds longer than previously advertised?

By the way...and maybe I am going against the majority here, but what exactly has FSU won to this point, that merits all this $$$ getting tossed around like its a salad bar?

That Clemson win has some serious traction to it, I guess.

Before someone says I am attacking Jimbo, maybe this needs to slow down and see where the season ends, before FSU gets all "Kirk Ferentz" on him.

On the flip side, Wilcox must know his shizzle, his last gig was running Duke football, and well...here it is mid-November and Duke football is relevant.




This post was edited on 11/12 8:22 PM by Pben

11/12 7:52 PM | IP: Logged

Wherever I go, I go with Jimbo.
11/12 9:47 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by vanole35:

It seemed like FSU was sitting on its hands because neither you or I are privy to the discussions between Fisher and our admin.

Dot puts out a story three weeks ago that suggests we weren't doing anything about it, even though there are quotes in the article from multiple BOT members that contradict and say they've discussed it.

The whole discussion has been nothing but people guessing that nothing was happening even when the BOT told you it was.

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Nice try on the spin but you might want to re-read the quotes from the story. 

Wilcox said it would be addressed at the appropriate time. Dr. Joe Camps (BOT) said they will "wait" the the president's lead on this. Everybody I talked to made it clear that nothing was specifically in the works at that time. However, they were confident that something would be done by the end of the season - what we reported today re. Fisher's contact has happened within in the last couple days.
11/12 10:49 PM | IP: Logged
This is good clutter.It will only help things,like recruiting.
11/12 11:08 PM | IP: Logged
It's about time. I hope he puts in a way to pay his top assistants competitive money as well. Would hate to lose new DC to an asst job.
11/12 11:16 PM | IP: Logged
Pben...what have we won? We have won 27 of our last 30 games. We have won 2 divisional championships in the last 3 years and our first conference championship since 2005. We have won 9 of 11 against our Rivals (UF, UM, Clem). We have won all three of our Bowl games and are 4-1 in the post season. There is really only one thing we haven't won. And 4 years removed from being a dumpster fire we have a legit chance at winning that. That being said, the next contract isn't paying for any of that. That was already paid for at a bargain. We are paying for the future. We can go with our known commodity and pay him what he is worth, or we can pinch pennies and hope for the best.
11/12 11:17 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Pben:




Originally posted by SeminoleTom:
This is a well deserved promotion.


Who was promoted?

Or is the McRib sticking around at McDonalds longer than previously advertised?

By the way...and maybe I am going against the majority here, but what exactly has FSU won to this point, that merits all this $$$ getting tossed around like its a salad bar?

That Clemson win has some serious traction to it, I guess.

Before someone says I am attacking Jimbo, maybe this needs to slow down and see where the season ends, before FSU gets all "Kirk Ferentz" on him.

On the flip side, Wilcox must know his shizzle, his last gig was running Duke football, and well...here it is mid-November and Duke football is relevant.





This post was edited on 11/12 8:22 PM by Pben




It's fair to say yes, you are going against the majority here.  The above poster pointed out what has been accomplished  since Jimbo grabbed the reins.  He pretty much nailed it, and Jimbo's resume is rich with accomplishments.  It boggles my mind how quickly some people forget the pain of the lost decade...
11/13 12:51 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by goodlife1255:

The timing of this is good I think. Far enough along in the season with very consistent results. Our head coach needs to keep his mind on one thing other than his family and that is a championship run. He has proven himself in every aspect of a good coach. I love his tenacity but show great tact. His ability to grow has been my most favorite attribute, very evident this year. Many will give credit to the new assistant coaches, as we should but remember Jimbo hired them. Great recruiter, classy coach and reprensents FSU very well.
Timing is great. It keeps us out of a potential bidding war and shows Fisher how committed we are to his process. I didn't like the idea of waiting for this...Texas, Bama (if Saban leaves), USC, and even UF could all be looking for replacement coaches this offseason.
11/13 12:58 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by ScottiePimpin:
Pben...what have we won? We have won 27 of our last 30 games. We have won 2 divisional championships in the last 3 years and our first conference championship since 2005. We have won 9 of 11 against our Rivals (UF, UM, Clem). We have won all three of our Bowl games and are 4-1 in the post season. There is really only one thing we haven't won. And 4 years removed from being a dumpster fire we have a legit chance at winning that. That being said, the next contract isn't paying for any of that. That was already paid for at a bargain. We are paying for the future. We can go with our known commodity and pay him what he is worth, or we can pinch pennies and hope for the best.
Well just saying we all have to pony up, its not like there are money trees all over campus.

Here is a hypothetical, just what would everyone's feeling be if FSU dropped one before the end of the season?

I know its doubtful...but...

I think the admin is being prudent here, and not kneejerk....and let me say I am probably wrong, but again, I look at some of the deals these other schools cut coaches based on some 1-2 yr success and well now they are screwed.

It is not anything on Jimbo either, I would think this no matter who the coach was right now.

Guess I'll call Jam ...since this seems like a done deal, we all have to pay for it.
11/13 6:41 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by glea:
If this happens along with raises for most, if not all of the assistants, I will gladly double my booster payment. Well deserved all around.



So your booster amount is conditional?  You want the cart before the horse and that doesn't always work.  Maybe our administration needs to know what they have to work with before making big commitments.
11/13 6:50 AM | IP: Logged
About Damn Time!long over due
11/13 7:23 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Pben:

Originally posted by ScottiePimpin:
Pben...what have we won? We have won 27 of our last 30 games. We have won 2 divisional championships in the last 3 years and our first conference championship since 2005. We have won 9 of 11 against our Rivals (UF, UM, Clem). We have won all three of our Bowl games and are 4-1 in the post season. There is really only one thing we haven't won. And 4 years removed from being a dumpster fire we have a legit chance at winning that. That being said, the next contract isn't paying for any of that. That was already paid for at a bargain. We are paying for the future. We can go with our known commodity and pay him what he is worth, or we can pinch pennies and hope for the best.
Well just saying we all have to pony up, its not like there are money trees all over campus.

Here is a hypothetical, just what would everyone's feeling be if FSU dropped one before the end of the season?

I know its doubtful...but...

I think the admin is being prudent here, and not kneejerk....and let me say I am probably wrong, but again, I look at some of the deals these other schools cut coaches based on some 1-2 yr success and well now they are screwed.

It is not anything on Jimbo either, I would think this no matter who the coach was right now.

Guess I'll call Jam ...since this seems like a done deal, we all have to pay for it.


It will be interesting to see the revenue increases this season over last due to the publicity of a title run.  
11/13 7:42 AM | IP: Logged

The assistants should get a bump too but don't expect some of them to be here long term especially Pruitt. Pruitt will end up on HC short lists out there soon and that will start some moving around. Good thing is Jimbo has proven he can hire great assistants. Plus a NC will change those dynamics as well.
11/13 7:50 AM | IP: Logged Seriously, need to bump up booster contributions. DOT you started this, open that checkbook up (make sure the moths dont bother you too much) :-)

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Originally posted by PrestonInTexas:
All I am saying is let things play out a bit instead of acting now when everyone's emotions are high with what seems to be nothing in our way to National Championship game.  It wasn't too long ago Gene Chizik won a National title and was fired two years later costing Auburn 11.09 million.  We also need to remember we got a lot of players here with the hype of a new coach and by their primary recruiter, assistance coaches, many of who left.  Also, where would Jimbo want to go?  He is in one of the best three states for recruiting and a powerhouse program regardless.... think he wants to start over at UT?  I'm not saying he doesn't justify a raise and longer contract but I still think things need to play out and give it time.



Two points here, and I'm not bashing your opinion with either, just something for you to consider.

1. Whoever is right about the timeline of events, you don't put a contact like this together and have Fisher sign it in 2-3 weeks time. So I think that things will play out and take some time as you mentioned. If you think FSU should wait until this summer or next season to do this, I'd say you need to take an honest look at the surrounding climate of CFB today, and realize that if we go 14-0 or 13-1, this will be one of the greatest teams in the history of FSU football. A team comprised of players recruited by Fisher and coaches he hired. It's not a question of " where would Jimbo want to go"? It's about paying him what he's worth in the market place, and looking at the present and future ROI with Jimbo as head coach.

2. We got a lot of players here with the hype of a new coach and many assistant coaches who left. That's true. We also got a lot of players here with a coach who won 12 games and a BCS bowl last season and with several new assistants who replaced the coaches who left.

That head coach and these new assistants are in their first full recruiting cycle together and it seems obvious they are going to reel in another top 5 class. If you don't show loyalty and support to that coach, questions pop up on the recruiting trail, you may miss a couple of key recruits you would have gotten otherwise, and that can hurt the entire program............

This post was edited on 11/13 9:10 AM by nole14

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This is huge. Good to see Fsu taking care of Coach Fisher and hopefully his assistants. We are seeing return on the field lets make sure we keep improving.
11/13 9:09 AM | IP: Logged People who are saying not to rush into a large raise do realize that next year will be his 5th year here right? This isn't giving him a huge raise after 10 games like ND did for Weiss. This is 4 years of steady growth and development of modernizing a program that was stuck in the old days. On top of that, he is probably just now hitting his coaching "prime". How long do you need before you believe he isn't Weiss or Chizik?

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Just pay the man!!

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Posted on 11/13 9:44 AM | IP: Logged

Looking at the list is crazy that the coach from Middle Tn makes 700,000 and Brain Kelly only makes a million.
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Originally posted by nolemanb:
The return on investment for this will be well worth it. I'd love to see
an official study/analysis done based on a college football teams
success and the ROI of that. i.e. school enrollment #'s and what they
actually means $ wise to the schools, team memoribelia, ticket sales,
new boosters etc....... The $4 million of whatever we pay Jimbo is
NOTHING compared to what his success on the football field will bring
not only this athletic department but University for years to come.

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Exactly.  it's a "win win" situation.  
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How in the name of GOOD GOD did Bieliema get that much from Arkansas?!?!?!?
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