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With only seven senior starters (3 offense, 4 defense), and several key non-senior backups playing key roles, and a returning (likely) Heisman Trophy winner at QB, FSU should be stacked again in 2014 and that means a possible preseason No. 1 ranking.

The only thing that could seriously hinder how good FSU could be entering the 2014 season are if several key underclassmen declare early for the NFL draft. I've been checking around and have some a few nuggets to share on this topic.

There is a post about several underclassmen that requested a grade from the Draft Advisory Committee. It is true that not only have Timmy Jernigan, Cameron Erving, Bobby Hart, Josue Matias, Tre Jackson, Nick O'Leary, Kelvin Benjmain, Rashad Greene, James Wilder Jr. and Devonta Freeman requested a draft grade from the NFLDAB, but that Jimbo Fisher requested feedback on all the draft eligible players (juniors and redshirt sophomores) on the team.

This is not at all an indication that players are leaving for the draft.  Most aren't even considering leaving early but it can't hurt to find out where you stand in the eyes of NFL experts (board is made up of NFL GMs and personnel directors).

The main underclassmen mentioned as potentially leaving early are below and here is what we've heard about each. Keep in mind that a lot can and will change in a couple weeks when the grade from the NFLDAB comes back.

Timmy Jernigan - The most likely underclassmen player to declare for the NFL draft. At this stage we hear he is leaning to leaving early but that could change depending on what comes back from the NFLDAB.

Cameron Erving - Surprisingly, I'm hearing there's a good chance he will come back for his senior season. The main reason is the 2014 draft will be stacked with quality tackles several of which currently rank higher than Erving. Considering he just made the move to offense a couple years ago, he still has a lot of room for growth. I've been told that right now he projects as a second rounder but would have a great shot at moving up to the first round in the 2015 draft. A lot can change over the next month but he would have to move ahead of some very good tackle prospects to get a first round grade back from the NFLDAB.

Bobby Hart - Almost certainly staying.

Josue Matias / Tre Jackson - Both are NFL prospects but neither is expected to declare early. But nothing is certain until they hear back from the NFLDAB.

Nick O'Leary - Heard rumblings that O'Leary was considering leaving early at one time. However, it doesn't look like he'll be projected to go high enough to seriously consider declaring early. At this stage, it doesn't look like he'd be drafted in the first two rounds.

Kelvin Benjmain - Right now he plans to come back for his redshirt junior season. We've been hearing late first round or early second round.  But we've also been told there's a great chance for him to move into the top half of the first round in 2015 draft if he continues to develop. The financial difference between being an early second rounder/late first rounder versus being selected early in the first rounder is huge. He would have to move up further on draft boards, which could happen, to declare early.

Rashad Greene - I haven't heard anything about him leaving early. 

James Wilder Jr. - While Wilder has an NFL RB body, he hasn't done enough this season to justify coming out early. We hear he is likely staying for his senior season. But a big game in the BCS National Championship game and a high grade from the NFLDAB could change that.

Devonta Freeman - There has been some consideration about possibly leaving early but right now signs point to Freeman coming back to FSU in 2014. Freeman's stock has been on the rise and the grade from the NFLDAB will play a big role here. It looks like he would rank among the top 10 draftable RBs but just barely which probably puts him in round two. But unless he's projected as a first round pick, Freeman is likely coming back.

The cutoff date for applying for the draft is January 15.
12/12 12:47 PM | IP: Logged
Wow.  If we return even nearly all of them, we will still be scary good next year, especially if all the OL return.  If all we have to replace is Stork, I'm curious to see what moves we make.  I don't see how we keep Denson off the field if he's as good as advertised.
12/12 12:54 PM | IP: Logged
Running Backs don't really go in the first round anymore so I could see Wilder and Freeman returning.
12/12 12:55 PM | IP: Logged
I fully expect Cam and Wilder to declare. Timmy is a first round lock.
12/12 12:58 PM | IP: Logged
Erving and KB staying would be big. I think KB is gone and probably Erving who is rising quickly up draft boards. 
12/12 12:58 PM | IP: Logged
Menelik Watson draft grade was way higher than any of us suspected.


KB is looking like a first round lock right now and people around the country are taking notice of him. Kiper has him ranked above Evans right now. I never saw that coming at the start of the season. I expect kb to put up big numbers in the MNC game and punch his ticket for the first round.


Well deserved
12/12 12:59 PM | IP: Logged
 ...only comment needed.  What a run FSU and Jimbo could be set-up for!  Anyone think Jimbo is leaving now?
12/12 12:59 PM | IP: Logged
Thanks, Dot!  Good stuff!
12/12 1:01 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Noiler:
I fully expect Cam and Wilder to declare. 
Nobody at FSU believes that.
12/12 1:02 PM | IP: Logged

history has proven that great value in RBs can be found in rounds 3/4.  It will take a very special RB o go high in the draft any more.  If Freeman and Wilder are projected in the 2nd round, they should seriously consider the move.  It's doubtful either of them make it into the 1st round.

That said, making a move from the 4th to the 3rd round, or even late 2nd round could be huge.  Staying another year would nearly guarantee both players a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Kelvin really needs to come back and prove he can be consistent.  The lack of consistancy over time will make him a late 1st to mid second rounder.  Much more $$$ to stay another year and show continued improvement.

All the OL should come back.  They could all be 1st and 2nd rounders in the next draft (except Stork since he's a Senior).
12/12 1:04 PM | IP: Logged
Dot, do you think Mavety is under the impression that Cam will be leaving?
12/12 1:09 PM | IP: Logged
If everyone but Timmy comes back think about the numbers this offense could put up next year and against whom they would be doing so. Those guys stock in the combine would be just as good or better in the 2015 draft and their production numbers against better competition would be very impressive. The return of Winston could and should have an influence on them returning as the potential for that offense would be off the charts. 
12/12 1:11 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by -Black:
Dot, do you think Mavety is under the impression that Cam will be leaving?
Don't know if that really factored into his decision. Still a chance Erving could leave. 
12/12 1:11 PM | IP: Logged
disagree


Kelvin should not come back, he will be 28 when his second contract comes up. Being 27 instead of 28 will be a difference in how much he can make.


He can refine his skills in the nfl while getting paid.
12/12 1:12 PM | IP: Logged
I disagree about cam

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12/12 1:12 PM | IP: Logged
Freeman has nothing to gain by coming back and for anyone who heard his interview on Jim Rome knows he supports his fam In Miami and uses his fin aid cheeks to help them out, he's not getting bigger stronger fast in a year and has put enough on film, returning only risks injury. I wish him the best, total class.
12/12 1:13 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by -Black:
Dot, do you think Mavety is under the impression that Cam will be leaving?
He believes it's a possibility, but nothing has been told to him that it's a certainty in this business.
12/12 1:13 PM | IP: Logged

Man, would it be huge if Erving comes back.  It seems like 10 years ago he was the kid laughing on the sideline when we were getting beat down that got people up in arms. If Jernigan comes back I'm offically throwing a party.

Agree on Kelvin--if he can be more consistent catching the ball he's going high next year.
12/12 1:14 PM | IP: Logged
There is no way both freeman and wilder come back atleast 1 maybe both are gone. If you lookat the salary structure in the new NFL there is not much difference between being the a late 2nd or a 5th round pick. I have attached all the salaries from last years draft. It will be pretty similar this year. 

This post was edited on 12/12 1:18 PM by fsunole64


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Agree fsunole64



And besides Los is going to take carries away from both of them next year. I know everyone in here sees the writing on the wall. They both won't be able to fend off Karlos.
12/12 1:20 PM | IP: Logged
Thanks Dot, I've been wanting something on this.
12/12 1:21 PM | IP: Logged
I find it very hard to believe that only TJ would leave early, that's great for us but I'm not buying this info.  Things will be deferent after the NCG.
12/12 1:31 PM | IP: Logged

I believe JW has told family-friends he's gone.
12/12 1:36 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Michael L:




Originally posted by -Black:
Dot, do you think Mavety is under the impression that Cam will be leaving?


He believes it's a possibility, but nothing has been told to him that it's a certainty in this business.



ML,

Maybe you could confirm, but doesn't Maverty have 3 years to play 2 anyway?  If so Cam staying only lets him adapt to school and Tallahassee.

On a side note, sign me up for Dot's projections!  If the only junior we lose is Jernigan than we don't even need to worry about recruiting.  Our recruits will be all these five star players coming back!
12/12 1:39 PM | IP: Logged
goodness...offense may be better in 2014 if these guys come back

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12/12 1:39 PM | IP: Logged
Man, If Wild and Free return, plus Pender becomes eligible, that backfield is going to be absolutely stacked.  Green and Pender will have to wait another year before they see significant PT.
12/12 1:40 PM | IP: Logged
If only a couple of guys leave early, and we're projecting a class of 28 to 3l, some surprising leave-takings are ahead.
Maybe our resident roster geek now in new mexico can do the math for us. 
12/12 1:42 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Thirtyeight2thirtyfour:

I believe JW has told family-friends he's gone.




The emergance of LOS may have something to do with this also, I can see him getting a lot of carries next year.
12/12 1:44 PM | IP: Logged
People are setting themselves up for disappointment if they want to believe Jernigan is the only underclassmen leaving.



Come on fellas.
12/12 1:44 PM | IP: Logged

You guys can say what you think they will do, or should do, or whatever, but you have no idea what they will do, you're just guessing and your guess is based on no first hand information.  If you have first hand info, fair enough, but otherwise its just a bunch of opinions being presented as though they are an accurate representation of the situation.

I understand all the public aspects, KB's age, where we see them listed on mock drafts, Freeman supporting his family, Wilder having a child, playing time stuff, height/weight being what it is and not going to change, etc.  But none of you know the non-public aspects like if they really want another year at FSU because they love their life here, if they feel too connected to teammates to leave, if they want to be part of winning back to back titles, if they or their family value their degree to the point they want them to get it now, not while taking a class here or there after leaving, if they would rather be projected higher in the draft then what they are, maybe they hate going to school, etc.

None of you can say what they should or should not do, or what they will or won't do, because none of you know their thought process or even what the most important factors are for them in the decision making process. 

I won't be upset at any of them leaving.  Sometimes a guy leaves and I personally think draft wise they would have been better off staying, but that's only about the draft, it doesn't really mean they would have been better off.  They should each do whatever they think is best, but I think it is kind of silly for people to say on here X guy is gone for sure, or even I expect X guy to leave early, when you have no idea what they are thinking.
12/12 1:47 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Pox2:
People are setting themselves up for disappointment if they want to believe Jernigan is the only underclassmen leaving.




12/12 1:52 PM | IP: Logged
Hard for me to believe Tre Jackson AND Cam come back.  I think Tre leaves--he's ready for the league.
12/12 1:53 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Pox2:
Agree fsunole64



And besides Los is going to take carries away from both of them next year. I know everyone in here sees the writing on the wall. They both won't be able to fend off Karlos.


You need 3 good backs to make it through the season.  I think at least 1 will stay. 
12/12 1:56 PM | IP: Logged
I will be happy if six come back.  I think Wilder, Timmy J, Cam, and Benjamin are gone.  
12/12 1:56 PM | IP: Logged
For KB, Greene, and O'Leary - coming back another year seems much more doable knowing that Jaboo is going to be even better next year than he was this year...
12/12 1:57 PM | IP: Logged
A guy like cook is an EE because he wants to play early there is no way he comes to FSU which most people think he is leaning if fsu is returning there top 4 rbs next year. Nothing personal dot but think you are way off on your projections.

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12/12 2:00 PM | IP: Logged
Oldscalphunter


FSU will still have three backs to work with if Wilder leaves or freeman decides to go despite earlier declarations of him wanting to be the first person in his family to graduate from college.


Freeman
Los
Pender
Green
Frosh
Frosh
12/12 2:00 PM | IP: Logged

You made my day even better than it was, Mr Williams. Thanks, and kudos for the outstanding work you do.
12/12 2:02 PM | IP: Logged

I think KB and Freeman are gone, because of the $$$ to help their families out. And KB has a child,  there is no way you turn down late 1st round or earlier second round money.
12/12 2:04 PM | IP: Logged
You can tell that Jimbo is real big on helping these kids realize their dreams of playing in the NFL. Kids can do nothing but appreciate that. By getting yourself evaluated if you don't grade out as a first or second rounder as a junior you at least know the things you need to work on.
12/12 2:06 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Da_Dynasty64:



Originally posted by Pox2:
People are setting themselves up for disappointment if they want to believe Jernigan is the only underclassmen leaving.






Train keeps on rolling either way...
12/12 2:07 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Singleshot:





Originally posted by Da_Dynasty64:






Originally posted by Pox2:
People are setting themselves up for disappointment if they want to believe Jernigan is the only underclassmen leaving.










Train keeps on rolling either way...



No doubt
12/12 2:11 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Drury
Freeman has nothing to gain by coming back and for anyone who heard his interview on Jim Rome knows he supports his fam In Miami and uses his fin aid cheeks to help them out, he's not getting bigger stronger fast in a year and has put enough on film, returning only risks injury. I wish him the best, total class.


Not only that, but assuming Karlos develops like most feel he will, he could dominate the backfield next year. Would think both Wilder and Freeman consider that, right?

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12/12 2:13 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Noiler:
I fully expect Cam and Wilder to declare. Timmy is a first round lock.
Thanks for the tip Mel.
12/12 2:18 PM | IP: Logged
No doubt the train keeps rolling



I don't want people freaking out, that is all. People last year were CRUSHED because they had it in their mind that Watson was coming back. Come to find out his draft grade was better than anyone on this site predicted.


Right. now we are in reload mode, so don't get mad if a few kids leave. Next man up. And at this point Winston reminds me of Brady and Farve in regards to how he makes his wrs better. Whoever we line up, they are going to put up numbers. Special player.
12/12 2:18 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Pox2:
No doubt the train keeps rolling



I don't want people freaking out, that is all. People last year were CRUSHED because they had it in their mind that Watson was coming back. Come to find out his draft grade was better than anyone on this site predicted.


Right. now we are in reload mode, so don't get mad if a few kids leave. Next man up. And at this point Winston reminds me of Brady and Farve in regards to how he makes his wrs better. Whoever we line up, they are going to put up numbers. Special player.
Werd
12/12 2:24 PM | IP: Logged
I think Wilder needs to go get paid.  he's a grinder.  He's not fast, but he never goes down on first contact and he is a GREAT blocker from the RB position on passing downs.  he picks up a blitz, that guy isn't getting near the QB.   alot of value in that at the next level.  He'll find a spot and his job is to make it to his next contract.    

On top of all his great attributes, Los is going to take people's carries next year.  Alot of them.
12/12 2:24 PM | IP: Logged
Maybe Wolvernole was on to something...

I'm not buy this though.  
12/12 2:32 PM | IP: Logged
I think the best question is, if you had to pick one, who would be the toughest to replace based on what we still have, and what we have coming back and in.

Personally, it may sound crass, and I'm ecstatic each of these are Noles, but I think we can live without Timmy, JWJ, Cam and KB next year. NOL, Greene and Devonta are the most important to keep for next year's success IMO (in that order).

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12/12 2:33 PM | IP: Logged
If you go based off of what Kiper and McSHay have put out throughout the year, I would think that Jernigan, KB, Erving, and Jackson are gone. Each has been in the top 5 at their position at some point in the year. Freeman and Wilder are too hard to predict. I think the season went a lot differently than Wilder had anticipated when he was talking about going pro before the season.
12/12 2:38 PM | IP: Logged
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