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Originally posted by ChopHouse:


Originally posted by mandarinole:

Originally posted by ChopHouse:


Originally posted by Grizzlynole:

As some others have also expressed, I'll put my two cents worth in anytime I see a thread on Chief Wal-Mart. I find both the new logo and the way the university and Nike went about it to be offensive and a slap in the face to the alumni and fan base. I will NEVER purchase any item with Skunk Elvis on it even though I own some Nike stock.   
Perhaps you should consider selling that Nlke stock, as some zealots on this thread would like nothing more than to see the company go bankrupt.

Can we get a real quick update on the Palm Harbor walmart sales?

Walmart stock is going through the roof!!!!!

As in, the unsold new logo shirts are piling up towards the ceiling? 
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Originally posted by jbob:
How can this be? Thought logo was changed and applied to all university sanctioned items? Is Seminole boosters refusing to comply?
What we are doing is celebrating our national championship with that BCS National Championship Logo. Its not every year you can do that. 
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I really don't care who was behind the logo change, the end result is the same. It is really ugly not one person I've met likes it. Booster plate is Iconic!
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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:

 What we are doing is celebrating our national championship with that BCS National Championship Logo. Its not every year you can do that. 

My god you are right. It's definitely not every year you get to celebrate a national championship and cherish all the title gear we have been waiting to purchase since Jan 2000. To skew it like this and make the 
celebratory title gear already "outdated" if you will, is absolutely ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. I have never been so disappointed in my alma mater.
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Originally posted by Nolester01:


Originally posted by jamnolfin:


Originally posted by Nole3324:


Originally posted by DSTNole:
Jam. Then tell us who exactly is responsible for the initiation and acceptance of the logo rebranding. That way we can get off monks back.
Today is just a day to celebrate in a way we should have been able to since the game was over.  Thanks to whoever made the decision to use the real logo.

DST has a point JAM, you can whisper it here and we will not tell anyone until tomorrow.  

I've been a booster since the mid 80s and now work here, not once have i ever considered telling our administration how and what they should do. Honestly if it wasn't for Warchant I would never even think about the logo. I know people like to think we are told what we should and shouldn't say but other than the day they told us about the rebranding and getting ready for the spring game it's never been bought up again. There was no decision to use the 2013 logo, the decision was made to use the national championship logo.

Sure.....
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This post was edited on 6/27 4:09 PM by Nolester01


The decision was made to celebrate the National Championship with that BCS Championship logo, which was in January way before the new logo. Some or you are trying to read more into this than the absolute obvious: We won a national championship. Why would we run any logo other than that?


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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:

I've been a booster since the mid 80s and now work here, not once have i ever considered telling our administration how and what they should do. Honestly if it wasn't for Warchant I would never even think about the logo. I know people like to think we are told what we should and shouldn't say but other than the day they told us about the rebranding and getting ready for the spring game it's never been bought up again. There was no decision to use the 2013 logo, the decision was made to use the national championship logo.

Sure.....
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This post was edited on 6/27 4:09 PM by Nolester01


The decision was made to celebrate the National Championship with that BCS Championship logo, which was in January way before the new logo. Some or you are trying to read more into this than the absolute obvious: We won a national championship. Why would we run any logo other than that?


They figured since the new horrible looking logo was forced upon us before that it would be forced upon us again.  No reason for this Q looking logo and they were afraid it would be on booster merchandise.  
Edit: thanks for using the tradition laden correct true logo!

This post was edited on 6/28 11:10 PM by mrcop2you

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Well that kind of language certainly isn't going to fly.

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You sound like a fun person to hang out with...  Hating on passionate fans.  Why don't you just ignore these threads?  

FIFY 

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You're complaining about complaining?  

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Originally posted by wrdsmth:




You're complaining about complaining?  

Exactly. You see, his complaining is important because his opinion is important. The rest of us - not so much. He set us straight & has spoken the supreme word. 



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Originally posted by Mark  approved it?  Yes.

Do mbo initiated it? basically said he didn't care one way or another. He  hadn't been around long enough to be attached to one or the other.  If he initiated it for whatever reason, the honest response would have been "I wanted to do this for (insert reason here").  There is a big difference between Jimbo coming up with the design and Jimbo saying he would accept it.

If it was Jimbo's idea, my personal opinion was that it was someone, or some people's, job to tell him no.  I say that first and foremost because I think it is hideous and does not represent our university well.  Other people might like it and that is fine, but I have good reason to believe that the vast majority believe otherwise.

In my opinion, someone should have also told him no when he came up with the idea of only scheduling UF out of conference.

I wouldn't trade Jimbo for another coach in America, but a coach has his field of expertise and the other administrators have theirs.  Marketing is not his field of expertise.  If he initiated this change, it is very clearly not something for which he has a natural gift.

Scheduling is certainly a thing he should have a major input in, but when you sign a contract that awards you extra money for winning a certain number of games, you should lose a little control.    I also firmly believe that it is a very poor business decision to pay cupcakes half a million or more to come here and play a game in front of small crowds paying half priced tickets just so you can have seven home games every year instead of every other year.
We have to have 7 home games, If we have a neutral site game it will be a year that we play at UF at home. Monk tried to explain it to everybody about a year ago
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Originally posted by DSTNole:

Jerry,
 
Do you happen to know who started and approved the rebranding especially the new logo?   Was it Jimbo Fisher? Monk? who?   And if you don't know, who would be a person that did know?  Jimbo? Monk? who? 

Thanks!



I think a lot of factors, and therefore a lot of people including Nike were involved just like has been reported. I on that work group so for me to try to explain details would be irresponsible. What I can offer is a perspective based on a lot of other initiatives I have worked on over the years. 

My experience in a university environment is that nothing gets done by one in a vacuum; everything is a process, a collaboration. Every idea takes a bunch of people to sign off on, so to try to put this on one person would lead to an inaccurate answer. Monk has been a very public spokesman for the department in recent years, and has been willing to take the heat on things, but it would be inaccurate to believe he or anyone else did this alone. 

As has been reported, the head coaches -- including Jimbo -- were part of the process. If you know anything about Jimbo at all, you know that he has his finger on the pulse of everything that touches his program including uniforms and that is as it should be. Leonard, Sue, Mike, Mark, all of our coaches, should be involved in decisions that affect their sport. I tend to believe that the Athletics departments desire to standardize the uniforms, and the head coaches desire to supply our teams with high performance gear with additional apparel for players and for recruiting, was what motivated the change of uniforms. I think that desire initiated a process that eventually lead to the new logo. I don't believe the initiative was just to change the logo but a broader branding initiative that would provide more apparel for our players and for recruiting.

I would be remiss not to add that many decisions -- some good some not good depending on your perspective -- are ongoing processes, evolutions, collaborations that span generations of university administrations.  That is certainly true of Athletics, the Boosters and the University. Every time you have a change in administration -- new president, new athletic director, new head coaches -- you will have an evolution of priority and focus.

Again, this is my perspective based only on my experiences serving on work groups involving the Foundation, Boosters, and Athletics over the years and not specifically about the logo.

I encourage people to contact me who want to talk about any issue at jkutz@fsu.edu or by calling me at 850-508-8690. I've listed my contact information numerous times on this message board but have had fewer than 15 people reach out to me.






 












This post was edited on 6/29 6:43 AM by Jerry Kutz

This post was edited on 6/29 7:15 AM by Jerry Kutz

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Originally posted by NoleBearPig:


Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:

 What we are doing is celebrating our national championship with that BCS National Championship Logo. Its not every year you can do that. 

My god you are right. It's definitely not every year you get to celebrate a national championship and cherish all the title gear we have been waiting to purchase since Jan 2000. To skew it like this and make the 
celebratory title gear already "outdated" if you will, is absolutely ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. I have never been so disappointed in my alma mater.
I don't understand your post... 
The stores are filled with title gear, some with the old logo, some with the new, some with the one we put on the tag, and most without either the new or the old logo. The title gear is selling at a super high rate and royalty revenues are way up.
How are we making the celebratory title gear "outdated"?
I am missing something, help. 

6/29 12:25 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by NoleGa:


Originally posted by wrdsmth:



You're complaining about complaining?  

Exactly. You see, his complaining is important because his opinion is important. The rest of us - not so much. He set us straight & has spoken the supreme word. 



All praise cbanoles!


This post was edited on 6/29 1:05 AM by Singleshot

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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:


Originally posted by Nolester01:


Originally posted by jamnolfin:


Originally posted by Nole3324:


Originally posted by DSTNole:
Jam. Then tell us who exactly is responsible for the initiation and acceptance of the logo rebranding. That way we can get off monks back.
Today is just a day to celebrate in a way we should have been able to since the game was over.  Thanks to whoever made the decision to use the real logo.

DST has a point JAM, you can whisper it here and we will not tell anyone until tomorrow.  

I've been a booster since the mid 80s and now work here, not once have i ever considered telling our administration how and what they should do. Honestly if it wasn't for Warchant I would never even think about the logo. I know people like to think we are told what we should and shouldn't say but other than the day they told us about the rebranding and getting ready for the spring game it's never been bought up again. There was no decision to use the 2013 logo, the decision was made to use the national championship logo.

Sure.....
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This post was edited on 6/27 4:09 PM by Nolester01


The decision was made to celebrate the National Championship with that BCS Championship logo, which was in January way before the new logo. Some or you are trying to read more into this than the absolute obvious: We won a national championship. Why would we run any logo other than that?



Jerry, when you go against this stream, it gets very bumpy. These people don't think objectively. They want to vent. Don't waste your time. Thanks for your hard work. Go Noles!
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Originally posted by Noleman#1:

Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:


Originally posted by Nolester01:


Originally posted by jamnolfin:


Originally posted by Nole3324:


Originally posted by DSTNole:
Jam. Then tell us who exactly is responsible for the initiation and acceptance of the logo rebranding. That way we can get off monks back.
Today is just a day to celebrate in a way we should have been able to since the game was over.  Thanks to whoever made the decision to use the real logo.

DST has a point JAM, you can whisper it here and we will not tell anyone until tomorrow.  

I've been a booster since the mid 80s and now work here, not once have i ever considered telling our administration how and what they should do. Honestly if it wasn't for Warchant I would never even think about the logo. I know people like to think we are told what we should and shouldn't say but other than the day they told us about the rebranding and getting ready for the spring game it's never been bought up again. There was no decision to use the 2013 logo, the decision was made to use the national championship logo.

Sure.....
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This post was edited on 6/27 4:09 PM by Nolester01


The decision was made to celebrate the National Championship with that BCS Championship logo, which was in January way before the new logo. Some or you are trying to read more into this than the absolute obvious: We won a national championship. Why would we run any logo other than that?



Jerry, when you go against this stream, it gets very bumpy. These people don't think objectively. They want to vent. Don't waste your time. Thanks for your hard work. Go Noles!
Thanks for the advise. I welcome venting and that's why I give my cell phone and email address. Its a good way to get to know people, to share information, and to listen to another's perspective. I can get more out of a personal conversation than I can just by exchanging on a message board with an anonymous poster.

You'll be glad to know that I haven't been able to spend much time on the boards recently as we have been very busy the past six months with ticket sales, Booster memberships and Booster Life events. We have broken records in attendance and will break records for ticket sales, Booster memberships and revenue. The ticket sales for Dallas and for our events out there are also outstanding. Our fans have really responded to the upcoming schedule and to the championship.

We also have more projects underway then I can ever recall. The dorm/apartment complex will open on time on August 1 just like the IPF did last year. The locker room and coaches's office renovations are in process. The Tucker Center will have new seats, video boards and graphics packages as well as a lot of planning for more improvements.

My time has been spent on planning the Champions Campaign to fund these projects which will launch August 1. The Champions Campaign will play an important part of the university's capital campaign to launch in October. In addition to all these projects, we're taking a deep dive with architects and engineers on ways to into improve Doak and will entertain bid proposals in late July, selecting the design/build team the first week of August. We advised the Board of Trustees this past week of our plans, including a pre-sale of the club seat section starting August 1, and received encouraging remarks. So its full steam ahead over the next 12 months to sell the project. Assuming we are successful, we'll seek official BOT and BOG approval next year and break ground right after the 2015 season.

We also received approval for College Town Phase 2 so there is a lot of projects going on all at once.

So we are now just 30 days away from the launch of what will be the largest campaign for FSU athletics yet, a campaign that will have a getting on place for every Seminole fan who wants to participate even at the annual membership level. And we're less than 30 days from the start of fall practice and preseason Booster Life events.

Exciting times.



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Originally posted by jamnolfin:


Originally posted by Mark  approved it?  Yes.

Do mbo initiated it? basically said he didn't care one way or another. He  hadn't been around long enough to be attached to one or the other.  If he initiated it for whatever reason, the honest response would have been "I wanted to do this for (insert reason here").  There is a big difference between Jimbo coming up with the design and Jimbo saying he would accept it.

If it was Jimbo's idea, my personal opinion was that it was someone, or some people's, job to tell him no.  I say that first and foremost because I think it is hideous and does not represent our university well.  Other people might like it and that is fine, but I have good reason to believe that the vast majority believe otherwise.

In my opinion, someone should have also told him no when he came up with the idea of only scheduling UF out of conference.

I wouldn't trade Jimbo for another coach in America, but a coach has his field of expertise and the other administrators have theirs.  Marketing is not his field of expertise.  If he initiated this change, it is very clearly not something for which he has a natural gift.

Scheduling is certainly a thing he should have a major input in, but when you sign a contract that awards you extra money for winning a certain number of games, you should lose a little control.    I also firmly believe that it is a very poor business decision to pay cupcakes half a million or more to come here and play a game in front of small crowds paying half priced tickets just so you can have seven home games every year instead of every other year.
We have to have 7 home games, If we have a neutral site game it will be a year that we play at UF at home. Monk tried to explain it to everybody about a year ago

  I saw Monk's video.  What he was saying simply did not add up.  Unless I missed something, everything was based on having to play seven home games every year for money.  So I'll ask again and maybe someone on here can explain this to me.

  Lets say you play Texas State next year and Chattanooga the year after.  How much are we charging for tickets?  We charged $35 in the past for tickets like these, but let's say we raise that to $40.  

  How many do you think we'll sell?  I'd say it would be pretty optimistic to say we'd sell 70,000 of them.  Not taking into account specials or give-aways, that comes to $2.8M per game at the gate.  Now you subtract what you're paying them to come.  Given what we've been told, that would be somehow around and probably North of $500,000.  

   So you take in $2.3M per year for two years and you're total comes to $4.6M.

  When we played Oklahoma, we charged $80 per ticket and sold 83,000.  We didn't have to pay them to come as we gave them a return trip.  I understand ticket prices for Notre Dame will be $100 this year, but lets just split the difference and say we'll charge $90 for a home and home with someone like Texas (I understand they just got two open dates).

  If we only sold 80,000 tickets that would be $7.2M.  So now we're $2.6M behind over a two year span.

  We would have more in concessions over that two year span, but not twice as much.  Remember the Texas crowd would be much larger.  Also, you could look for Texas to bring about 9,000 more people into town in one year than Texas State and Chattanooga brought in two.

  I'll say another thing about economic impact to Tallahassee, the folks that go to see Texas State and Chattanooga are for the most part folks who drive to the game and drive home afterwards.  I think one game with Texas would bring more money to Tally than any two games with cupcakes, not that it should matter.  I live in Tally and my daughter has worked at a restaurant here.  If the business owners had a vote, they would probably rather see a good home and away.

  I don't know what it would cost to send a team to Austin, but it's a good bet it's not nearly as much as what we pay these teams to come to Tally.  That's why they come to Tally.

  Monk's video addressed none of this.  If those watching didn't know better, they would have thought we charged the same for tickets regardless of who we played and we didn't pay these cupcakes to come here.

  I hate to see Monk get abused on here just like you do.  He was one of my all time favorites and I think he's taking a lot of heat he doesn't deserve.  But that video he made left a whole lot out.  I've looked up other people's future schedules that either play nine conference games or eight conference games with a rival out of conference and it's very clear that you can schedule good home and aways.

  If there's some other factor that makes us unique in this regard, I've been asking what it is for years no and have received no answer.  I would welcome one.

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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:

My experience in a university environment is that nothing gets done by one in a vacuum; everything is a process, a collaboration. Every idea takes a bunch of people to sign off on...

...and here's the result...

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Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:


Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:

My experience in a university environment is that nothing gets done by one in a vacuum; everything is a process, a collaboration. Every idea takes a bunch of people to sign off on...

...and here's the result...



Hahaha someone wrote Question on the board and another thought "hey! Look at that Q!"
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Originally posted by mrcop2you:

Hahaha someone wrote Question on the board and another thought "hey! Look at that Q!"


It loks like this happened...here was the brainstorming session...

It needs teeth - LOTS and LOTS of teeth! 
OK, but it has to have a feather, a BIG feather!
The hair should be foofier, you know, for the lady fans.
I want it to be younger!
Well I want it to look less ethnic.
I think it should look less menacing - maybe have it smile a tad?
Tilt its head back more!
Maybe we should just tweak the great symbol that we all know is a winner (looked at with disdain and ignored by the rest of the group).

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Thanks for the answer jerry... Pretty much everyone's fault then... Was hoping this was one persons doing that had absolutely no clue what they were doing... Makes me feel even worse knowing that everyone was involved with the logo.
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Originally posted by DSTNole:
Thanks for the answer jerry... Pretty much everyone's fault then... Was hoping this was one persons doing that had absolutely no clue what they were doing... Makes me feel even worse knowing that everyone was involved with the logo.
Everyone except the fans who keep the university going...  But hey just steam roll your fans - marketing 101.  
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If you want to express yourself call me at 850 508 8690. I'm always available for constructive conversation even when it is critism.
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It is no coincidence that the leadership is now using Jimbo as a scapegoat. He is 100% bullet proof.

The talking points definitely include the sentence "And if you know Jimbo, you know he has his hand on every detail."


 
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Not buying it.

That would mean he's also in charge of the ice.
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I "Unliked" FSU related FB sites that were using Chief walmart as I hated seeing that disgusting image show up on my page. 

I definitely would not have put that on my vehicle, so I am glad I get to use my booster plate one more year!
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Originally posted by BillWesJay:
It is no coincidence that the leadership is now using Jimbo as a scapegoat. He is 100% bullet proof.

The talking points definitely include the sentence "And if you know Jimbo, you know he has his hand on every detail."


 
Everyone knows this is a company line being fed to fans so they sit back and take this Q logo.  Not going to happen. 
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Mrcop--

You hate the new logo, but are ok with the one in your sig?
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You boosters can sugarcoat this all you want.  You can ask us to call you (as if that will make any difference).  The bottom line is, we ain't gonna cave.  We hate, HATE, this logo.  It's awful and I will NEVER buy it.  When you start seeing that sales will drop (after we are done with this championship run), then maybe you will realize.
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Originally posted by Nole York City:
Mrcop--

You hate the new logo, but are ok with the one in your sig?

I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  
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Originally posted by mrcop2you:


Originally posted by Nole York City:
Mrcop--

You hate the new logo, but are ok with the one in your sig?

I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  

I don't hate the one in your sig, but I just don't see that as terribly different than the "new logo" with the exception of the feather being tucked into the circle.


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It a new week and the new logo still sucks. It won't grow on anyone unless it includes fresh spores.





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Originally posted by Nolegrad89:

I "Unliked" FSU related FB sites that were using Chief walmart as I hated seeing that disgusting image show up on my page. 

I definitely would not have put that on my vehicle, so I am glad I get to use my booster plate one more year!



Same here.

When the new tickets arrive with the cartoon logo on them, i will be forced to test my resolve.

Also, i recieved an interesting email from another arm of FSU... I sent it to Jam for his comment before I post it on here.
6/30 11:56 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Nole York City:


Mrcop--

You hate the new logo, but are ok with the one in your sig?

I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  

I don't hate the one in your sig, but I just don't see that as terribly different than the "new logo" with the exception of the feather being tucked into the circle.


I'm not a fan of the change at all... I hate the way it was done and the way they went about it.  When someone says minor tweaks to a traditional image known around the world then it better be minor and not a giant Q.  
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Originally posted by mrcop2you:


Originally posted by Nole York City:
Mrcop--

You hate the new logo, but are ok with the one in your sig?

I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  

You're saying that thing in your sig looks like this guy? Really?

This post was edited on 6/30 3:54 PM by NoleRob

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Originally posted by NoleRob:


Originally posted by mrcop2you:


Originally posted by Nole York City:
Mrcop--

You hate the new logo, but are ok with the one in your sig?

I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  

You're saying that thing in your sig looks like this guy? Really?

This post was edited on 6/30 3:54 PM by NoleRob


No, that's not what he's saying.  He has said he would rather the official logo look like Osceola but that he likes the one in his sig better than Chief Walmart. 
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I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  
You're saying that thing in your sig looks like this guy? 
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first off off I'm posting from iPad so I had to delete the picture and modify the reply so I know it looks goofy.  

I never said it looks like it but rather that I think it should have been made to look like it.  I think the one in my sig is something easy they could have done if they had to change it without accurately portraying Osceola.  I would have liked the change if it didn't look so cartoon q boy style.  

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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:


Originally posted by NoleBearPig:


Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:

 What we are doing is celebrating our national championship with that BCS National Championship Logo. Its not every year you can do that. 

My god you are right. It's definitely not every year you get to celebrate a national championship and cherish all the title gear we have been waiting to purchase since Jan 2000. To skew it like this and make the 
celebratory title gear already "outdated" if you will, is absolutely ridiculous. RIDICULOUS. I have never been so disappointed in my alma mater.
I don't understand your post... 
The stores are filled with title gear, some with the old logo, some with the new, some with the one we put on the tag, and most without either the new or the old logo. The title gear is selling at a super high rate and royalty revenues are way up.
How are we making the celebratory title gear "outdated"?
I am missing something, help. 


^^How is it becoming outdated? By creating a new logo and  
tearing down and painting over the one that was featured during our 2013 , 1999, and 1993 titles. 
 
The fact that people are opening their booster package and saying it has "the old logo" means it is or is becoming outdated right? Even though we won a title using it  5 months ago it's not even our logo anymore. 

This post was edited on 6/30 4:43 PM by NoleBearPig

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Originally posted by mrcop2you:



I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  
You're saying that thing in your sig looks like this guy? 
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first off off I'm posting from iPad so I had to delete the picture and modify the reply so I know it looks goofy.  

I never said it looks like it but rather that I think it should have been made to look like it.  I think the one in my sig is something easy they could have done if they had to change it without accurately portraying Osceola.  I would have liked the change if it didn't look so cartoon q boy style.  


Your sig is way worse than than the new logo. IMO
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I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  

You're saying that thing in your sig looks like this guy? 
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first off off I'm posting from iPad so I had to delete the picture and modify the reply so I know it looks goofy.  

I never said it looks like it but rather that I think it should have been made to look like it.  I think the one in my sig is something easy they could have done if they had to change it without accurately portraying Osceola.  I would have liked the change if it didn't look so cartoon q boy style.  

Your sig is way worse than than the new logo. IMO

So we agree the new logo sucks.  
6/30 5:41 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by mrcop2you:


I'd rather it resemble Osceola accurately if the change was going to happen.  I feel if all this embroidery/color/tradition issues were to be addressed then just go all the way and make it realistic or fully accurate.  The one in my sig is what I think of when I heard the 'tradition deletion' tow line of minor tweaks being made.  NolesRule created the one in my sig and I think if changes were to have been made then how hard was it to make it look good rather than going full crazy Q look.  

You're saying that thing in your sig looks like this guy? 
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first off off I'm posting from iPad so I had to delete the picture and modify the reply so I know it looks goofy.  

I never said it looks like it but rather that I think it should have been made to look like it.  I think the one in my sig is something easy they could have done if they had to change it without accurately portraying Osceola.  I would have liked the change if it didn't look so cartoon q boy style.  

Your sig is way worse than than the new logo. IMO

So we agree the new logo sucks.  

I actually like mr cops sig better. The future old logo is unacceptable. Should never have changed the logo in the first place. You dont have to change the logo so that the players can wear hi tech gear. Its bogus. Teams like Oregon do just fine with their logo and apparel options. Its just a bunch of excuses for what was approved at FSU. If someone would have asked me what FSU would do during the football offseason, changing the freaking logo would have not have even been a thought. Its gimmicky and the FSU I grew up loving and still love never was and should never be gimmicky IMO.
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Originally posted by cardinal_67:

Originally posted by mrcop2you:

Your sig is way worse than than the new logo. IMO

So we agree the new logo sucks.  

I actually like mr cops sig better. The future old logo is unacceptable. Should never have changed the logo in the first place. You dont have to change the logo so that the players can wear hi tech gear. Its bogus. Teams like Oregon do just fine with their logo and apparel options. Its just a bunch of excuses for what was approved at FSU. If someone would have asked me what FSU would do during the football offseason, changing the freaking logo would have not have even been a thought. Its gimmicky and the FSU I grew up loving and still love never was and should never be gimmicky IMO.
+1  watch out for the 2-3 pro q boy lovers.  They will come in and throw random non factual arguments at you.  
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Originally posted by Truly 'Nolen:
You boosters can sugarcoat this all you want.  You can ask us to call you (as if that will make any difference).  The bottom line is, we ain't gonna cave.  We hate, HATE, this logo.  It's awful and I will NEVER buy it.  When you start seeing that sales will drop (after we are done with this championship run), then maybe you will realize.
Truly,

When I say call me, I mean anyone can call me on any topic and I'll be happy to talk with you or any other poster. I've offered my cell phone on many threads over the years and have always taken time to answer questions, offer perspectives, and represent our Boosters, fans, students interests on a variety of subjects.  Will it make a difference to talk to someone who is in the administration who has made themselves available to you?

Some times the caller and I agree to disagree but most frequently, we each have a take a way that's constructive. They offer me ideas that help me do my job better -- which is good for FSU -- and sometimes I offer them a perspective they hadn't considered.

If anyone wants to call or email about anything, feel free. My cell is 850-508-8690 and my email is jkutz@fsu.edu. Call any time about any topic you wonder about or have an opinion to express.

Jerry



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Jerry...while part of me wants to applaud your for posting your number..the rest of me says...why bother. It appears fairly obvious that the vast majority of Nole fans dislike Skunk Elvis aka Chief Walmart....but, the powers that be are committed to the rebranding. If Nike needs to sell stuff with Their new logo...let them....why don't we allow BOTH logos to be produced and the Skunk Elvis crowd can buy the new stuff and the traditionalists among us can buy the Real Logo items. I have already decided I will go with the FS....or what some refer to as the baseball logo.....never have been that much of a spear guy....and won't do the Skunk Elvis.
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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:
When I say call me, I mean anyone can call me on any topic and I'll be happy to talk with you or any other poster. I've offered my cell phone on many threads over the years and have always taken time to answer questions, offer perspectives, and represent our Boosters, fans, students interests on a variety of subjects.  Will it make a difference to talk to someone who is in the administration who has made themselves available to you?

Some times the caller and I agree to disagree but most frequently, we each have a take a way that's constructive. They offer me ideas that help me do my job better -- which is good for FSU -- and sometimes I offer them a perspective they hadn't considered.

If anyone wants to call or email about anything, feel free. My cell is 850-508-8690 and my email is jkutz@fsu.edu. Call any time about any topic you wonder about or have an opinion to express.

Jerry

Calling and talking to you doesn't change the fact that 92% hate Q boy and that's not going to change.  Oh cool we have some money and decided to build up the university which is great as an alumni seeing that...but the university slapped us fans in the face and have handled this situation very poorly.  

Where is is the number to the admin that made this horrible Q boy change?  I'll wait. Thanks 

This post was edited on 7/6 1:51 PM by mrcop2you

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Originally posted by Jerry Kutz:
When I say call me, I mean anyone can call me on any topic and I'll be happy to talk with you or any other poster. I've offered my cell phone on many threads over the years and have always taken time to answer questions, offer perspectives, and represent our Boosters, fans, students interests on a variety of subjects.  Will it make a difference to talk to someone who is in the administration who has made themselves available to you?

Some times the caller and I agree to disagree but most frequently, we each have a take a way that's constructive. They offer me ideas that help me do my job better -- which is good for FSU -- and sometimes I offer them a perspective they hadn't considered.

If anyone wants to call or email about anything, feel free. My cell is 850-508-8690 and my email is jkutz@fsu.edu. Call any time about any topic you wonder about or have an opinion to express.

Jerry

Calling and talking to you doesn't change the fact that 92% hate Q boy and that's not going to change.  Oh cool we have some money and decided to build up the university which is great as an alumni seeing that...but the university slapped us fans in the face and have handled this situation very poorly.  

Where is is the number to the admin that made this horrible Q boy change?  I'll wait. Thanks 
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still waiting... I know again its great FSU is growing but alienating fans is not the way to go about this.  
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Anti Logo guys trying to make something out of nothing. They manifest great "victories" over very little things and ignore any explanation besides our malcontent attitude about change has won out. You guys really don't think Jam is telling the honest truth about wanting to use the National Title emblem that happens to have the old logo in it for the plates? It really isn't as simple as that? I think it is but rally around the "cause" I guess. It doesn't hurt anyone to bad I suppose and honestly those of us that like or have accepted the Logo should just leave you be to wallow in both your hope and your sorrow. Unfortunately that's what people opposed to change hope for. That everyone will get so tired of your moaning and groaning and just give you your way. Its a catch 22. If nothing is said you feel a sense of emboldening and it gets worse, if you offer a different view you become agitated and it gets worse. Whatever Logo we use will represent the university , the tribe and the sports teams well. I prefer the Current Logo to the old Logo. 
7/6 2:55 PM | IP: Logged
If you love it so much, enjoy it and get out of these threads.

No conspiracy theory here, I know ugly when I see it. If I was in love with the new logo I would feel no need for discussion, because I wouldn't care. You get off on the fact that you like it and the majority doesn't. That's even sadder pro-new-logo guy. If you really believe it's over and done, then go away.
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Thats what Im talking about right there. Why is only one opinion on the logo welcome? And why is NO explanation regarding usage of the old logo credible unless its "we are changing back because you guys dug your feet in and we are bending to your will?". 
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