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Originally posted by scott1088:

Originally posted by ChopHouse:

Originally posted by Noleman#1:

Originally posted by Good-Old-Nole:
I was fond of the old logo; but, if you place them both side by side, which version would you prefer to face on the CFB field of combat?  To me, the new logo shows a younger chief and more fierce portrayal than the older one.
Duck!!!

I'd say "duck" too, except I think that the air has about gone out of this thread.

This post was edited on 7/4 12:20 PM by ChopHouse





Bitter, party of 1 (or 7 out of 100).

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Indeed. The bluster has died down considerably from the Chief Walmart crowd. 
7/5 5:44 PM | IP: Logged
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o Bringing up their name in posts that they did not start or were not involved in, just to get a reaction from them.

o Consistently responding to their posts and responding with no merit other than to belittle them. (You don't have to respond to a post you disagree with or a topic you dislike.)

This post was edited on 7/6 11:03 AM by Crowl

This post was edited on 7/6 2:05 PM by Crowl

7/6 10:48 AM | IP: Logged
I cannot speak for others.  But I will not buy the new logo.  Period.  Not no way, not no how. 

And I will not buy any FSU merchandise until it is changed.  I personally don't buy a lot.  One set a year.  So my decision alone will impact nothing.  Just hope I am not alone.

If all of us completely boycott FSU merchandise I suspect things will change rather quickly.  If we decide to go with the spear or FSU lettering instead the change may never happen
7/6 1:14 PM | IP: Logged
Nm

This post was edited on 7/6 2:06 PM by Crowl

7/6 1:34 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolefanb4bb:
I cannot speak for others.  But I will not buy the new logo.  Period.  Not no way, not no how. 

And I will not buy any FSU merchandise until it is changed.  I personally don't buy a lot.  One set a year.  So my decision alone will impact nothing.  Just hope I am not alone.

If all of us completely boycott FSU merchandise I suspect things will change rather quickly.  If we decide to go with the spear or FSU lettering instead the change may never happen
With the number of FSU people who agreed with you on the survey, it looks more like you are right with the majority.
7/6 1:37 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by darlingknight27:

Originally posted by nolefanb4bb:
I cannot speak for others.  But I will not buy the new logo.  Period.  Not no way, not no how. 

And I will not buy any FSU merchandise until it is changed.  I personally don't buy a lot.  One set a year.  So my decision alone will impact nothing.  Just hope I am not alone.

If all of us completely boycott FSU merchandise I suspect things will change rather quickly.  If we decide to go with the spear or FSU lettering instead the change may never happen
With the number of FSU people who agreed with you on the survey, it looks more like you are right with the majority.
Obviously from the research and studies done you are not alone and as stated you are the majority.  So you certainly aren't alone.  
7/6 1:57 PM | IP: Logged
Is there an echo in here.
7/6 3:39 PM | IP: Logged
Brick,  here are the results (discriminant analyses) you requested:


Ranked Logo Preference:   #1 (Most Preferred Logo)      #2 (Second Most Preferred Logo)      #3 (Least Preferred Logo)
Original Logo                         50.3%                                        37.6%                                                      12.1%
Jodi Slade's Logo                    42.1%                                        50.9%                                                       7.0%
New Logo                               7.6%                                          11.5%                                                       80.9%



I have added a graph of this data here:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1436361476644944/?type=3&theater


This post was edited on 7/6 4:00 PM by davidphedlund

7/6 3:52 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
Brick,  here are the results (discriminant analyses) you requested:


Ranked Logo Preference:   #1 (Most Preferred Logo)      #2 (Second Most Preferred Logo)      #3 (Least Preferred Logo)
Original Logo                         50.3%                                        37.6%                                                      12.1%
Jodi Slade's Logo                    42.1%                                        50.9%                                                       7.0%
New Logo                               7.6%                                          11.5%                                                       80.9%



I have added a graph of this data here:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1436361476644944/?type=3&theater


This post was edited on 7/6 4:00 PM by davidphedlund


Is there a way to break it down further into which group who voted at liking the new logo, voted the old logo as least? i have to suspect nearly all those  who liked the new logo liked the old one least, while since Jodi's is so similar to the old one it got votes from most of the main fans since if there has to be alterations, it might as well be jodi's stremlining.

So basically, I guess you could read the different orders as: (Going from most prefered->least)

Old Jodi New = Want the old logo, hate the new logo, Jodi would be an ok compromise.
Old New Jodi =- Want the old logo, If you have to make a change go big or go home
Jodi Old New = Thinks that Jodi made great improvements on the new logo, Still like the old one, Hate cartoon elvis
Jodi New Old = Want a change, love Jodi's version over the old one.
New Jodi Old = Love change, spice things up, to hell with tradition let's ignite it.
New Old Jodi = Like cartoon elvis, liked the old logo, make a big change or none.


So basically, the people who really like change would be the percentages of the last 3, The people who want it to stay what it was, or at least only change minor aspects of it to streamline it.

The most interesting thing is hearing the boosters and fans respond so vastly against the logo, it really begs the question who was the "focus group" and why were they so unrepresentative, or were they misunderstood? Some of the responses by admin are making it sound more and more like these groups weren't asked if they wanted to keep the old logo, but rather for a list of possible change ideas, and then the admin ran with it like crazy. then showed them skunk-elvis and said "this is the new logo, learn to like it or else".
Thank goodness noone joked that Osceola should have an afro or fu-manchu.
7/6 4:51 PM | IP: Logged
DarlingKnight, if there is some sort of analysis you want to see regarding who (which groups) responded in which way to those opinion questions, I can certainly run those analyses and post them here, however, I can tell you that based on the already presented data in the report (pg 13 = die hard fans, pg 14 = years as a fan, pg 15 = age, pg 16 = gender, pg 17 = race/ethnicity, pg 18 = education level, pg 19 = household income, pg 20 = FSU students, pg 21 = FSU alumni, pg 22 = FSU student-athletes, pg 23 = Seminole Booster member, and pg 24 = FSU Alumni Association member), I believe that the results you suggested will hold across these categories.

We do also have data on how respondents felt about the importance of "maintaining rituals and traditions," so this is another way we could segment the data, however, I just ran this analysis, and the results are nearly the same as the already presented results. 

So, if you want some sort of specific analysis, I am happy to do it and post the results.  Just tell me what you are interested in seeing.

Again, here is a link to photos of each page of the report:  https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197&type=1

This post was edited on 7/6 6:29 PM by davidphedlund

7/6 6:28 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
DarlingKnight, if there is some sort of analysis you want to see regarding who (which groups) responded in which way to those opinion questions, I can certainly run those analyses and post them here, however, I can tell you that based on the already presented data in the report (pg 13 = die hard fans, pg 14 = years as a fan, pg 15 = age, pg 16 = gender, pg 17 = race/ethnicity, pg 18 = education level, pg 19 = household income, pg 20 = FSU students, pg 21 = FSU alumni, pg 22 = FSU student-athletes, pg 23 = Seminole Booster member, and pg 24 = FSU Alumni Association member), I believe that the results you suggested will hold across these categories.

We do also have data on how respondents felt about the importance of "maintaining rituals and traditions," so this is another way we could segment the data, however, I just ran this analysis, and the results are nearly the same as the already presented results. 

So, if you want some sort of specific analysis, I am happy to do it and post the results.  Just tell me what you are interested in seeing.

Again, here is a link to photos of each page of the report:  https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197&type=1

This post was edited on 7/6 6:29 PM by davidphedlund


I would just like a percentage of what number of people were in each of the groups based on their preference of all three logos (all 6 of the possibilities I gave above)

For example, what percentage of fans who preferred the new logo selected the Osceola logo as their next choice, and Jodi's as their least liked? The data shows just over 7% prefered the new logo, so that number should be between 1 and 7% of the "prefer the new logo" fans.

I think that data, broken down by group (of the 6 i listed above), would show about how many fans actually would like a change to the logo.
7/7 2:15 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolefanb4bb:
I cannot speak for others.  But I will not buy the new logo.  Period.  Not no way, not no how. 

And I will not buy any FSU merchandise until it is changed.  I personally don't buy a lot.  One set a year.  So my decision alone will impact nothing.  Just hope I am not alone.

If all of us completely boycott FSU merchandise I suspect things will change rather quickly.  If we decide to go with the spear or FSU lettering instead the change may never happen
You're not alone.  I'm glad someone else sees the need for this.  No one cares about the head being boycotted if you're still buying the spear.
7/7 10:45 AM | IP: Logged I have bought some traditional logo gear for fear it will sell out and to show my support for keeping it. However, I will buy nothing else until a change is made.

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Posted on 7/7 11:08 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by NoleBuck:


Originally posted by scott1088:

Originally posted by ChopHouse:

Originally posted by Noleman#1:

Originally posted by Good-Old-Nole:
I was fond of the old logo; but, if you place them both side by side, which version would you prefer to face on the CFB field of combat?  To me, the new logo shows a younger chief and more fierce portrayal than the older one.
Duck!!!

I'd say "duck" too, except I think that the air has about gone out of this thread.

This post was edited on 7/4 12:20 PM by ChopHouse





Bitter, party of 1 (or 7 out of 100).

Posted from wireless.rivals.com


Indeed. The bluster has died down considerably from the Chief Walmart crowd. 

Yep the facts speak for themselves.  No need to rub it in though.  If somehow this does get changed back we want them back in the fold too.  My guess is most of them loved the real logo too which is what boggles the mind as to why change it in the first place.
7/7 12:13 PM | IP: Logged
DarlingKnight27, here are the percentages for the ordered logo (ranked) preferences you requested:

Original Jodi New = 46.9%
Original New Jodi = 3.4%
Jodi Original New = 33.8%
Jodi New Original = 8.2%
New Jodi Original = 4.0%
New Original Jodi = 3.7%
(n = 6872)

Link to photo of the graph:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1436847813262977/?type=3&theater 


 

This post was edited on 7/7 1:04 PM by davidphedlund

7/7 12:49 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by CubNole:
I have bought some traditional logo gear for fear it will sell out and to show my support for keeping it. However, I will buy nothing else until a change is made.

Posted from wireless.rivals.com


Imagine the impact if people wore no logo.  Just khaki pants and a plain garnet-colored shirt, for example.  Supporting the team with school colors, not supporting the faceless machine that makes us cough up hundreds of dollars a year for these logos.
7/7 2:36 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
DarlingKnight27, here are the percentages for the ordered logo (ranked) preferences you requested:

Original Jodi New = 46.9%
Original New Jodi = 3.4%
Jodi Original New = 33.8%
Jodi New Original = 8.2%
New Jodi Original = 4.0%
New Original Jodi = 3.7%
(n = 6872)

Link to photo of the graph:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1436847813262977/?type=3&theater 



 

This post was edited on 7/7 1:04 PM by davidphedlund


This is quite revealing. 80.7% preferred either Jodi's Logo or the Original over the new logo. Of those 80%, 40% more of the people preferred the Old Logo over Slade's.

It also appears that 12% would prefer a change in logo before going back to the original. Of those 12%, 100% more people would prefer Slade's over New.

WOW!

This post was edited on 7/7 3:28 PM by Helluvanengineer

7/7 2:48 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by mrcop2you:


Originally posted by BornANole:


Originally posted by davidphedlund:
....

In addition, members of the media have were also provided with the same link to the PDF as was posted here on Warchant and social media sites.  I would expect that electronic and in-print news stories will be forthcoming in the next couple of days. 


Yup, Democrat already has their story up 



This will make it even farther...  It was just a matter of time.  

1.  Any more media articles?

2.  One positive to the argument made by the new Nike head logo proponents is that it was pointed out that the face paint on the old logo looks like bacon.  Bacon sales are up 200% in my household.

3.  I am thankful I got garnet NC items in Pasadena at 50% off after the game.  I could fund my kids' college tuition with the rate these items are appreciating in value.

4.  Thank you for your hard work.
7/7 2:52 PM | IP: Logged
NolesReload, any articles we have found about our research have been posted on our Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Research-on-the-Florida-State-University-Seminole-Logos/1408045616143197

7/7 3:25 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by NolesReload:

Originally posted by mrcop2you:


Originally posted by BornANole:


Originally posted by davidphedlund:
....

In addition, members of the media have were also provided with the same link to the PDF as was posted here on Warchant and social media sites.  I would expect that electronic and in-print news stories will be forthcoming in the next couple of days. 


Yup, Democrat already has their story up 



This will make it even farther...  It was just a matter of time.  

1.  Any more media articles?

2.  One positive to the argument made by the new Nike head logo proponents is that it was pointed out that the face paint on the old logo looks like bacon.  Bacon sales are up 200% in my household.

3.  I am thankful I got garnet NC items in Pasadena at 50% off after the game.  I could fund my kids' college tuition with the rate these items are appreciating in value.

4.  Thank you for your hard work.
I would seriously buy FSU Bacon. I would put on my face before eating. Do not care if I get acne.
7/7 3:30 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Helluvanengineer:

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
DarlingKnight27, here are the percentages for the ordered logo (ranked) preferences you requested:

Original Jodi New = 46.9%
Original New Jodi = 3.4%
Jodi Original New = 33.8%
Jodi New Original = 8.2%
New Jodi Original = 4.0%
New Original Jodi = 3.7%
(n = 6872)

Link to photo of the graph:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1436847813262977/?type=3&theater 



 

This post was edited on 7/7 1:04 PM by davidphedlund


This is quite revealing. 80.7% preferred either Jodi's Logo or the Original over the new logo. Of those 80%, 40% more of the people preferred the Old Logo over Slade's.

It also appears that 12% would prefer a change in logo before going back to the original. Of those 12%, 100% more people would prefer Slade's over New.

WOW!

This post was edited on 7/7 3:28 PM by Helluvanengineer


It begs the question, what on earth are the last group, the "New, Original, Jodi" group thinking? Perhaps they are the people swayed by "whatever the university admin choses"? They could really be in the "we want a change" group, or in an neutral group. The numbers though of people backing a logo change from the real logo are so lo we may as well concede their 3%.

Either way, it's pretty damning that only 15% total seem truly behind a change in the logo. Everyone else in those groups wants either the original logo, or the original logo that Jodi streamlined. If there are reasons the logo needs to be changed for reproduction reasons, color schemes, etc then it might as well be Jodi's. The posters on this board trying to make it seem like "50% of fans" are in favor of a change are completely off kilter.
The chief walmart knockoff is a whole new logo, jodi's is an update, that many people seem ok with. If people didn't like the original logo, then there would be more people in the "jodi, new, original" group. The actual percentage of people who fit in that other poster's suggested group of people who want change is either 15%, or less depending on how you approach the 3.7% new original jodi group.

Once again, this raises serious questions of why the "focus groups" the administration used were so unrepresentative, or why the focus groups were misunderstood. It has to be one of those two.
7/7 3:51 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Helluvanengineer:

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
DarlingKnight27, here are the percentages for the ordered logo (ranked) preferences you requested:

Original Jodi New = 46.9%
Original New Jodi = 3.4%
Jodi Original New = 33.8%
Jodi New Original = 8.2%
New Jodi Original = 4.0%
New Original Jodi = 3.7%
(n = 6872)

Link to photo of the graph:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1436847813262977/?type=3&theater 



 

This post was edited on 7/7 1:04 PM by davidphedlund


This is quite revealing. 80.7% preferred either Jodi's Logo or the Original over the new logo. Of those 80%, 40% more of the people preferred the Old Logo over Slade's.

It also appears that 12% would prefer a change in logo before going back to the original. Of those 12%, 100% more people would prefer Slade's over New.

WOW!

This post was edited on 7/7 3:28 PM by Helluvanengineer


Thank you, Dr. Hedlund. This actually tackles an earlier question...

If you just put the old logo up against the new logo (without Jodi's to "interfere" with the preference), you'd get:

Prefer old logo: 84.1%
Prefer new logo: 15.9%

Put another way, for every one 'Nole that likes the new logo, there are 5.3 Noles that prefer the old logo. More than 5:1!

This effect would get stronger as the passion of fans gets higher. With the most passionate Noles, that ratio might climb to 8:1...maybe even 10:1. And, even stronger with young fans, who will be buying FSU stuff for another half century.

I'm starting to believe that this is a 8 or 9 figure $$$ mistake, taken out over time.
7/7 4:32 PM | IP: Logged
The problem with trying to estimate the "dollar figure effect" is that the Collegiate Licensing Company (CLC) will not break the numbers down based on what merchandise was purchased featuring the original logo vs. the new logo.  Because many people here in Warchant have openly discussed how much merchandise they have purchased recently featuring the original logo, it is possible that the numbers will show that FSU merchandise is being purchased more these days due to people "stocking up" on merchandise with the original logo.  Therefore, the numbers may end up suggesting that FSU merchandise is selling extremely well.

The only group that will know the effect, until manufacturers catch up and begin producing merchandise with the new logo (see the Tallahassee Democrat article written by Guy from the "Garnet & Gold Store"), is Nike, as they seem to, for the time being, have some of the only merchandise with the new logo. 

Eventually, the stock of merchandise with the original logo will run out (if indeed it is no longer produced), and at that point in time, will people still care about the logo?  This could be a couple years down the road ...

7/7 4:52 PM | IP: Logged
Is anyone at FSU reviewing these numbers?  FSU does not seem to care what 90% of the fans think, because in another post they have installed Mr. Q on the basketball court.
7/7 6:33 PM | IP: Logged
Nole3324, yes, several members of FSU Athletics Department have received hard copies of the results report. 
7/7 7:09 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
Nole3324, yes, several members of FSU Athletics Department have received hard copies of the results report. 
David, I'm not sure if  the survey asked the participant to indicate the State where he or she was raised... if so, is there a breakdown of the preferences based on that?
7/7 8:42 PM | IP: Logged
OldScalpHunter, page 4 of the report indicates the respondents were from 49 of the 50 states, with 66.9% from Florida and 1.2% international.  If you really want the breakdown of respondents from the 49 states, I can provide that information ...

Link:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1432993030315122/?type=3&theater
7/7 9:38 PM | IP: Logged
David just wanted to say thank you to you and everyone involved in the survey.

As far as the administration getting a copy of the report that does not do any good if they do not read it. 
7/7 9:47 PM | IP: Logged
Wow, just under half of the respondents were women?  Now you know that Warchant did not skew the survey
7/7 10:54 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
OldScalpHunter, page 4 of the report indicates the respondents were from 49 of the 50 states, with 66.9% from Florida and 1.2% international.  If you really want the breakdown of respondents from the 49 states, I can provide that information ...

Link:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1432993030315122/?type=3&theater
I think it would be interesting if there was some sort of correlation between where the respondents reside and the preferences.  But if it's too much work, don't worry about it.  Thank you for the survey.  You did what someone in the athletics dept. should have done before changing the logo.
7/8 10:43 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by oldscalphunter:

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
OldScalpHunter, page 4 of the report indicates the respondents were from 49 of the 50 states, with 66.9% from Florida and 1.2% international.  If you really want the breakdown of respondents from the 49 states, I can provide that information ...

Link:  https://www.facebook.com/1408045616143197/photos/a.1432992920315133.1073741829.1408045616143197/1432993030315122/?type=3&theater
I think it would be interesting if there was some sort of correlation between where the respondents reside and the preferences.  But if it's too much work, don't worry about it.  Thank you for the survey.  You did what someone in the athletics dept. should have done before changing the logo.
Agree 100%
7/8 10:47 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole3324:
Is anyone at FSU reviewing these numbers?  FSU does not seem to care what 90% of the fans think, because in another post they have installed Mr. Q on the basketball court.
I can tell you with certainty that the wheels for this season are already in place and can't be reversed for a while. The best they could do today if they realized their error and decided to do what is best for the school by keeping the actual symbol would be to make an announcement that the new Logo will only be here for this year (if they wanted to use PR, they would announce that the symbol is meant to be a celebration of "_____" thus it isn't permanently replacing the dynasty logo, but more like a one year special. Think drummer boy quarters.)
This would mean there wouldn't be a change back until 2015, perhaps until summer 2015 at the latest.

This would however help them get rid of stock, give them time to change things back, maybe even give them a way out of their horrid rookie administration mistake. But keep in mind this survey hit less than a month before kickoff, and this is the time that many, many of the administration people go on vacations. The good thing is now we all know, and the democrat has let even more people know that the administration has this extremely thorough survey, they have evidence that their mistimed rebranding is hurting their "brand", and even if they could claim they thought that most people were on board until a couple weeks ago, now they can't avoid accountability.

So, we will see what their worth is s administration by how they respond to the new logo error. They seem to have tried very hard to burn many bridges, but they still have Jodi as an alternative, and given the misinformation out there, they could still spin the new logo as temporary. If they dig their heels in and dont make changes by mid or at worst november, then at least we will kow that there need to be changes in the administration department because, "they're doin it wrong."
7/8 12:05 PM | IP: Logged
OldScalpHunter and SnookinNole, per your requests for analysis, I will provide two pieces of information. 

First, I examined the correlations between where respondents live and their (1) 0-10 rating of the original logo, (2)  0-10 rating of Jodi Slade's logo, (3) 0-10 rating of the new logo, (4) ranked (#1, #2, #3) preference of the original logo, (5) ranked (#1, #2, #3) preference of Jodi Slade's logo, and (6) ranked (#1, #2, #3) preference of the new logo.

On a correlation scale of 0 to |1.0| (absolute value 1.0), where 0 = no relationship whatsoever and |1.0| = a perfect relationship, the correlation values(absolute values)  range from 0.002 to 0.036.  In other words, there is almost no relationship between where people live and how they responded to the questions listed above. 

Second, while the list of where respondents live is too long to be copied and pasted here, the following information gives you a sense of which states are most represented in the overall sample:

State                    Total Number of Respondents
Florida                 4526
Georgia               384
North Carolina   162
Texas                   162
Virginia                128
California            120
Alabama             113
New York            103
South Carolina  91
Illinois                 79
Colorado            78
Massachusetts 73
Tennessee        71
...             ...
(n = 6765)   

This post was edited on 7/8 1:10 PM by davidphedlund

7/8 1:08 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by davidphedlund:
OldScalpHunter and SnookinNole, per your requests for analysis, I will provide two pieces of information. 

First, I examined the correlations between where respondents live and their (1) 0-10 rating of the original logo, (2)  0-10 rating of Jodi Slade's logo, (3) 0-10 rating of the new logo, (4) ranked (#1, #2, #3) preference of the original logo, (5) ranked (#1, #2, #3) preference of Jodi Slade's logo, and (6) ranked (#1, #2, #3) preference of the new logo.

On a correlation scale of 0 to |1.0| (absolute value 1.0), where 0 = no relationship whatsoever and |1.0| = a perfect relationship, the correlation values(absolute values)  range from 0.002 to 0.036.  In other words, there is almost no relationship between where people live and how they responded to the questions listed above. 

Second, while the list of where respondents live is too long to be copied and pasted here, the following information gives you a sense of which states are most represented in the overall sample:

State                    Total Number of Respondents
Florida                 4526
Georgia               384
North Carolina   162
Texas                   162
Virginia                128
California            120
Alabama             113
New York            103
South Carolina  91
Illinois                 79
Colorado            78
Massachusetts 73
Tennessee        71
...             ...
(n = 6765)   

This post was edited on 7/8 1:10 PM by davidphedlund


Thank you.  I expected there to be a disparity between Florida and other States, but I was wrong.
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Originally posted by darlingknight27:

Originally posted by Nole3324:
Is anyone at FSU reviewing these numbers?  FSU does not seem to care what 90% of the fans think, because in another post they have installed Mr. Q on the basketball court.
I can tell you with certainty that the wheels for this season are already in place and can't be reversed for a while. The best they could do today if they realized their error and decided to do what is best for the school by keeping the actual symbol would be to make an announcement that the new Logo will only be here for this year (if they wanted to use PR, they would announce that the symbol is meant to be a celebration of "_____" thus it isn't permanently replacing the dynasty logo, but more like a one year special. Think drummer boy quarters.)
This would mean there wouldn't be a change back until 2015, perhaps until summer 2015 at the latest.

This would however help them get rid of stock, give them time to change things back, maybe even give them a way out of their horrid rookie administration mistake. But keep in mind this survey hit less than a month before kickoff, and this is the time that many, many of the administration people go on vacations. The good thing is now we all know, and the democrat has let even more people know that the administration has this extremely thorough survey, they have evidence that their mistimed rebranding is hurting their "brand", and even if they could claim they thought that most people were on board until a couple weeks ago, now they can't avoid accountability.

So, we will see what their worth is s administration by how they respond to the new logo error. They seem to have tried very hard to burn many bridges, but they still have Jodi as an alternative, and given the misinformation out there, they could still spin the new logo as temporary. If they dig their heels in and dont make changes by mid or at worst november, then at least we will kow that there need to be changes in the administration department because, "they're doin it wrong."
I would probably consider buying something with the new logo on it if they did that.
7/8 7:40 PM | IP: Logged I would like to see a poll done on the new football uniforms as well. I know we aren't the ones wearing them but I haven't heard much positive feedback on them from fellow cfb fans and nole fans. Most people I have talked to mentioned how ridiculously large the numbers on the jerseys were. I saw in a recent post how we went from #1 to #6 in best uniforms. Curious to see if that tradition was ignited and burnt to the ground as well. I don't expect there to be a 92% disapproval rate like the new logo but I bet it is well over 50%.

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I think the uniforms are more half and half

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Originally posted by darlingknight27:
I think the uniforms are more half and half

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I think most people don't like them, but as they aren't the symbol of the FSU Seminoles, people aren't too upset about it.  This despite a couple of people's claims that we just can't accept change.
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Originally posted by darlingknight27:




Originally posted by Nole3324:
Is anyone at FSU reviewing these numbers?  FSU does not seem to care what 90% of the fans think, because in another post they have installed Mr. Q on the basketball court.


I can tell you with certainty that the wheels for this season are already in place and can't be reversed for a while. The best they could do today if they realized their error and decided to do what is best for the school by keeping the actual symbol would be to make an announcement that the new Logo will only be here for this year (if they wanted to use PR, they would announce that the symbol is meant to be a celebration of "_____" thus it isn't permanently replacing the dynasty logo, but more like a one year special. Think drummer boy quarters.)
This would mean there wouldn't be a change back until 2015, perhaps until summer 2015 at the latest.

This would however help them get rid of stock, give them time to change things back, maybe even give them a way out of their horrid rookie administration mistake. But keep in mind this survey hit less than a month before kickoff, and this is the time that many, many of the administration people go on vacations. The good thing is now we all know, and the democrat has let even more people know that the administration has this extremely thorough survey, they have evidence that their mistimed rebranding is hurting their "brand", and even if they could claim they thought that most people were on board until a couple weeks ago, now they can't avoid accountability.

So, we will see what their worth is s administration by how they respond to the new logo error. They seem to have tried very hard to burn many bridges, but they still have Jodi as an alternative, and given the misinformation out there, they could still spin the new logo as temporary. If they dig their heels in and dont make changes by mid or at worst november, then at least we will kow that there need to be changes in the administration department because, "they're doin it wrong."


  I really believe our administration could do themselves a world of good if they would just have the original, or even Jodi's logo at midfield when we kickoff the season this fall.  This would be a meaningful message from our admin to our fans saying "we hear you."
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Originally posted by oldscalphunter:

Originally posted by darlingknight27:

Originally posted by Nole3324:
Is anyone at FSU reviewing these numbers?  FSU does not seem to care what 90% of the fans think, because in another post they have installed Mr. Q on the basketball court.
I can tell you with certainty that the wheels for this season are already in place and can't be reversed for a while. The best they could do today if they realized their error and decided to do what is best for the school by keeping the actual symbol would be to make an announcement that the new Logo will only be here for this year (if they wanted to use PR, they would announce that the symbol is meant to be a celebration of "_____" thus it isn't permanently replacing the dynasty logo, but more like a one year special. Think drummer boy quarters.)
This would mean there wouldn't be a change back until 2015, perhaps until summer 2015 at the latest.

This would however help them get rid of stock, give them time to change things back, maybe even give them a way out of their horrid rookie administration mistake. But keep in mind this survey hit less than a month before kickoff, and this is the time that many, many of the administration people go on vacations. The good thing is now we all know, and the democrat has let even more people know that the administration has this extremely thorough survey, they have evidence that their mistimed rebranding is hurting their "brand", and even if they could claim they thought that most people were on board until a couple weeks ago, now they can't avoid accountability.

So, we will see what their worth is s administration by how they respond to the new logo error. They seem to have tried very hard to burn many bridges, but they still have Jodi as an alternative, and given the misinformation out there, they could still spin the new logo as temporary. If they dig their heels in and dont make changes by mid or at worst november, then at least we will kow that there need to be changes in the administration department because, "they're doin it wrong."
I would probably consider buying something with the new logo on it if they did that.
Yea it would be a collectors item then.  And thats all it would take for me to begin to have faith in the admin again.  That they are listening to the people.
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Originally posted by darlingknight27:
I think the uniforms are more half and half

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Some of my friends are more pissed about the uniforms... I'm not happy about the helmet (or the numbers), but I can live with the uni's... not the logo though.
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Originally posted by james_j69_2001:

Originally posted by darlingknight27:
I think the uniforms are more half and half

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I think most people don't like them, but as they aren't the symbol of the FSU Seminoles, people aren't too upset about it.  This despite a couple of people's claims that we just can't accept change.

I agree.  I for one do not like the new unis but I don't hate them like I do that logo.  I am all for us keeping up with technology as far as latest materials go but I think we could have kept our same #1 rated unis with the new materials.  But if I have to I can live with and accept the new unis but i will never accept that logo.
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Originally posted by mrcop2you:
Wow. Love it, thanks for all the hard work.

After going through the study a little more it basically shows instead of people and fans liking the new logo it will actually alienate the Q logo... Also as I've been saying they lost out on so much money as it showed more people would have bought gear with the original logo had it stayed. Let's see how certain posters spin this... I won't name names but they (3-4 of them) know who they are.

Another goof up that will lost FSU tons of money and make fans angry. Only reason two posters on here say it's been ok is because the memberships and money is higher then ever... Ya because of the championship!

I haven't ordered a single clothing item since it's released.  That is extremely abnormal for me. 
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Originally posted by oldscalphunter:

Originally posted by darlingknight27:
I think the uniforms are more half and half

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Some of my friends are more pissed about the uniforms... I'm not happy about the helmet (or the numbers), but I can live with the uni's... not the logo though.
I love the new uniforms.

I hate the new logo.
7/9 3:44 PM | IP: Logged I believe there are a good amount of Noles that like the new uniforms. As for the new logo, this survey speaks volumes.

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Not thrilled with new uniforms but can live with them. If they kept the normal spear length on the helmets, removed the shoulder pad markings (way too busy), and replaced new logo with old or slightly updated old logo I would not complain.

Hate the new logo. Just hate it.
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I can live with the uniforms except the black.  I really do not care for the garnet helmet and wish the spears did not cross in the back, but I have no problems on that front.  As far as Mr. Q, it is not good and should be thrown in the trash hep of history.  
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Originally posted by davidphedlund:
The problem with trying to estimate the "dollar figure effect" is that the Collegiate Licensing Company (CLC) will not break the numbers down based on what merchandise was purchased featuring the original logo vs. the new logo.  Because many people here in Warchant have openly discussed how much merchandise they have purchased recently featuring the original logo, it is possible that the numbers will show that FSU merchandise is being purchased more these days due to people "stocking up" on merchandise with the original logo.  Therefore, the numbers may end up suggesting that FSU merchandise is selling extremely well.

The only group that will know the effect, until manufacturers catch up and begin producing merchandise with the new logo (see the Tallahassee Democrat article written by Guy from the "Garnet & Gold Store"), is Nike, as they seem to, for the time being, have some of the only merchandise with the new logo. 

Eventually, the stock of merchandise with the original logo will run out (if indeed it is no longer produced), and at that point in time, will people still care about the logo?  This could be a couple years down the road ...


Well, let's see what the Warchant poll says about dollar amount impact -- see link.

We all know damn well that people are tracking the sales of old vs. new logo BIG TIME. Now with data analytics around every corner and at about every retailer, they will be paying attention. My guess is that the feedback time to FSU administration has already happened...and they will continue to get feedback on new logo sales pretty regularly over the next several months.

My guess is that given the reaction by most fans I know, people WILL absolutely care about the new logo, even if the old chief isn't sold anymore.

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The spears on the helmets?

They crisscross on the back to look like the state flag.

How does that image honor the tribe? 

What does a saltire have to do with a Seminole?
7/10 1:52 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole3324:
I can live with the uniforms except the black.  I really do not care for the garnet helmet and wish the spears did not cross in the back, but I have no problems on that front.  As far as Mr. Q, it is not good and should be thrown in the trash hep of history.  
By far the uniforms are split at least half and half, in fact there are many "meh, whatever" fans in that category as long as we didnt make them rainbow or have no spears at all.

Please oh please dont read that or take it as a suggestion FSU admin.
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