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After the California university system model:

Existing Name/Config                              Future Name / Config - 2013+   

FAMU                                                   University of Florida - Tallahassee (College of A and M)
FAU                                                      University of Florida - Boca Raton
FGCU                                                   University of Florida - Ft. Myers
FIU                                                       University of Florida - Miami
FSU                                                      University of Florida - Tallahassee
NCF                                                      NCF (no change, as NCF is a college)
UCF                                                      University of Florida - Orlando
UF                                                        University of Florida - Gainesville
UNF                                                      University of Florida - Jacksonville
USF                                                      University of Florida - Tampa
UWF                                                     University of Florida - Pensacola

While FSU fans and alumni will recoil at the suggested name change and realignment here it should be noted that FSU was the FIRST University of Florida in the state (1884) and this name has historic connection to FSU.  There would still be the two flagship campuses in Tallahassee and Gainesville.                          
12/4 4:07 AM | IP: Logged
Are you suggesting the universities should be more coordinated or just changing the names?

I like that the universities have their own identity. I do think a lot of them would be a little more attractive if renamed (e.g. UWF changing to University of Pensacola). Helps us out though if they stay the way they are 
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I like to honor the history of the schools (in particular FSU), but I see certain efficiencies if we start thinking about greater higher educational cohesion and fewer political stovepipe schools.  I see budgetary parallels between now and the 1904-5 period that led to the passage of the Buckman Act, which greatly and negatively impacted Florida State.  I think we could head off any similar bad decisions with a constructive reorganization that recognizes the past yet sets the State well for the future.

In short, Florida spends too much money on "pet" universities.  The new school in Lakeland is the newest such political school and FAMU is another from an earlier era.  Each presents a drain on the budget while offering little return on investment.  Further, each has a significant political constituency group that will resist improvement unless they can join an organization they can convince their group to support.  FSU has a strong and loyal following while the Gainesville school seems intent on seizing a "flagship" appellation in law (if they can, which is doubtful).  Schools spend a lot of effort on what amounts to pride and branding, which is good and not so good at the same time.

I think the California naming system mentioned as an example here not only retains the history of FSU in particular but also renders a perpetual honorable memorial for FAMU as well.  Complexities will have to be addressed, but for FSU and FAMU the Seminole symbol remains very appropriate since a fair number of Seminoles were black and mixed in race yet uniquely Floridian.
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Yes, I am recoiling.  I think we are way too far down the road for that naming/structuring scheme to get any traction.  You mentioned 1884 and maybe that was the time and place to do that, or shortly thereafter (1905 perhaps).

Those Universities are all already under the Florida SUS system, and there is a State/Community College system in place which is about as close as the California model that we should or could emulate in my opinion.

I do think there could be a perceived negative connotation with being a "State" University but it is not bad enough to change the name, and it is not as bad as being a directional University or State College.  Besides, I don't think I could ever get used to the UFT! UFT! UFT! chant.

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Just think how much better UFT will be than UFG.  I would guess that we'd be calling the schools by the city name after a while...since there is more than one UFT.

This post was edited on 12/4 12:17 PM by Mac_Nole

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FGCU -> Fort Myers University
FAU -> Boca Raton University sounds nice to me since the city is known as a rich area. Spanish speakers would laugh though since it translates to Rat Mouth University.
UWF -> University of Pensacola
UCF -> University of Orlando
USF -> ??
UNF -> ??
FIU -> ??

Poor FIU. They're the real University of Miami in location and in student demographics. University of Jacksonville and University of Tampa would be great names too since they're widely recognized cities, but the names are already taken. As I said in another thread I wouldn't mind if we changed to University of Tallahassee provided we were able to merge with FAMU at the same time. I'd fear another school trying to take the name FSU though, which would cause a lot of confusion.

This post was edited on 12/4 2:55 PM by CrazedNole

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Crazed, allow me to push for the California naming solution as opposed to city named schools which do not attach to state history (at least that I know about).  The reason is that the "U of State" title sets apart a school from confusion with lower level state colleges and allows for immediately unified thinking of and within the SUS.  To an extent all universities would embark on such a name change at their peril compared to the trough/political funding system which now exists, but I think FSU should lead the change as opposed to being dragged or pushed into it.

Benefits would include:

1. Minimizing regional university parochialism stimulated by the trough funding system.
2. Diminish or eliminate the so-called "flagship" university distraction issue.
3. Give FAMU an honorable way to join with Florida State, which is better for the State of Florida.
4. Minimize the Us vs Them attitude demonstrated at some levels of university activity, which provide for interesting spectator views but not much else.
5. Generalize university titles, thus extending successful branding/marketing campaigns to the entire system, as opposed to one or two schools.
6. Allow sports competition to be relegated to...mere sports competition and not greater identity politics (maybe?)
7. The existing pro-UF media now has a huge identification problem to surmount, since every university is now a UF.  They may instead spend their time finding the real stories that benefit all Floridians and not their pet school. 
12/6 4:25 AM | IP: Logged
Changing to UC style names would help the other schools more than anything and hurt FSU. Also, I think people would say they went to "Orlando" or "Boca Raton," there would not be a lot of unity. I suspect in time some would want to adopt "University of Orlando" or "University of Boca Raton" to set themselves apart and to match their common name.
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FWIW, I'd prefer to go to the Texas model.

Two flagships, each runs their own system.

FSU takes USF, UF takes UCF, FSU takes FIU, UF takes FAU...etc...

FSU is the one in Tally.

FSU - Tampa is the old USF.
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Originally posted by Mac_Nole:
Crazed, allow me to push for the California naming solution as opposed to city named schools which do not attach to state history (at least that I know about).  The reason is that the "U of State" title sets apart a school from confusion with lower level state colleges and allows for immediately unified thinking of and within the SUS.  To an extent all universities would embark on such a name change at their peril compared to the trough/political funding system which now exists, but I think FSU should lead the change as opposed to being dragged or pushed into it.

Benefits would include:

1. Minimizing regional university parochialism stimulated by the trough funding system.
2. Diminish or eliminate the so-called "flagship" university distraction issue.
3. Give FAMU an honorable way to join with Florida State, which is better for the State of Florida.
4. Minimize the Us vs Them attitude demonstrated at some levels of university activity, which provide for interesting spectator views but not much else.
5. Generalize university titles, thus extending successful branding/marketing campaigns to the entire system, as opposed to one or two schools.
6. Allow sports competition to be relegated to...mere sports competition and not greater identity politics (maybe?)
7. The existing pro-UF media now has a huge identification problem to surmount, since every university is now a UF.  They may instead spend their time finding the real stories that benefit all Floridians and not their pet school. 



I don't think you'd realize all the positives you're seeking by the name changes.  And the names would quickly become "individualized" one way or another a la "Cal" & "UCLA".  Trying to blunt any pro-UF media hyping of UF would simply result in quicker individualization of the University of Florida - Gainesville to some "brand name" that would distinguish it from the other schools in the system, and not end efforts to pump up that campus by pro-UF media members IMO.
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What if we used Francis Eppes' name? We could be "Eppes, the Florida State University." similar to Rutgers, Auburn, Purdue and so on. Those schools are basically NJ State, Alabama State, and Indiana State, in all but name. 

Using the "UF" name would harm FSU in the long run. I understand that some people feel that the "state" in "Florida State" marks us as the "little brother," but it's better to be the little brother than to be just another regional school, which is what we would be if we became UFT. I believe North Carolina once attempted to rename NC State to UNC, Raleigh. The boosters and alumni revolted and forced them to call it off. I suspect the same would happen if a similar plan was announced for FSU. 

In the end, FSU is simply too well-known to change their name. This might have been possible prior to 1987, but not now.

Actually, FSU and UCF would make a better combination than USF. They both have strengths where the other has weaknesses.

UCF strengths: Location, engineering school.

FSU strengths: National brand, better reputation & academics

The main problem with UCF is the overcrowding and the large commuter population, which drives down the graduation rate. I don't see a way to easily handle either of these problems without running into political difficulties. I think the FSUS is happy with UCF being a halfway decent commuter school that focuses on cranking out as many graduates as possible to attract employers to Central Florida. Attempting to cap enrollment would encounter resistance.

I agree with the people who feel that UCF would have a better reputation if it had kept the name "Florida Tech."  I'm not sure if the "University of Orlando" is a great idea. When people think of Orlando, education is not the first thing that comes to mind. :) I am speaking as someone who was raised in Central Florida.
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