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       Re: The War Room - FSU, ACC & conference expansion/realignment - c691027 11/30 10:16 AM (show all)  Views 23497
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Some of you have zero reading comprehension. Gene's intro states clearly that that he's giving us speculation and rumor that has more authority than unfounded opinion. The piece is full of warnings not to take anything as gospel, other than that change is ahead.
11/27 11:35 AM | IP: Logged





Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by erock4129:

I could give a shit about your opinion


rabble rabble rabble rabble

You "couldn't care enough" to post and ask me about it.



what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?,  I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.
11/27 11:28 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:

what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?,  I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.
I don't care to share. Most people who do won't share things on a message board.



11/27 11:32 AM | IP: Logged
Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.
11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.
Actually, there were a lot of cheap tickets outside the stadium on Gameday.

And i was 100% right...that USF was holding back tickets and altering demand, and this was proven as they withheld about 10K tickets. So again, i was right, because the demand was artificial, not because of that many people actually paying those absurd prices for the game.

Anything else?
11/27 11:41 AM | IP: Logged
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
11/27 11:57 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.
11/27 12:39 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolemanb:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.
Because it was fact, from last time. We didn't have the votes. If we would have....we would have been in the SEC. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Going forward...i doubt we get these votes but who knows how this will all play out. I don't think we'll ever go to the SEC. I think we have a stronger possibility of going to the Big 12 (which in and of itself is a long shot). Again, th against personally what i want, which is to go to the SEC.

One thing to consider....how will the new Big 12/SEC alliance play out? You know the TV networks are going to have their say. And if anyone is going to get what they want...it's the television networks. I don't think after making this rosy marriage to play each other as conference champions, they're going to publicly battle it out over a few ACC schools. I think each of them will consult with ESPN/Fox/NBC, they'll consult with the schools they're interested in and each other, and then make offers from there. If anything.
11/27 1:23 PM | IP: Logged
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  
11/27 1:32 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Micco:
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  
They can be engaged while leaving options open, and without making things worse publicly.

The public spat between our BoT and admin last year was brutal to watch.  Embarassing, even.
11/27 2:07 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Micco:
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  
Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.
11/27 1:37 PM | IP: Logged

I wish someone would define what they mean when they say "our leadership is engaged on this issue."


Does that mean that they are regularly talking to Swofford and attempting to rescue the ACC? 
Does it mean we are calling SEC schools and attempting to negotiate our way in to the conference?
Or does it mean that they are refreshing Warchant every 5 minutes?

Obviously, none of us know the true answer.
But given Barron's few public statements on realignment (as well as his email response last summer), he has shown himself to be (generously speaking) less than knowledgeable and in some cases, downright insulting (when he called out the Big 12 academic reputation.)  Even more recently, he was quoted as saying that he doesn't understand all this realignment.  

Hardly inspiring, to say the least.

So for those of us who are unhappy with the ACC, those types of public responses don't give us a lot of faith that he is "actively engaged" on this issue.  

11/27 2:57 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Micco:
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  
Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.
I actually do believe this.  Which would mean that they have explored the possibility of leaving for another conference.  I just don't understand why you can be so sure they're on top of this, and so adamant that leaving isn't going to happen.

11/27 1:43 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SavageSteve:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Micco:
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  
Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.
I actually do believe this.  Which would mean that they have explored the possibility of leaving for another conference.  I just don't understand why you can be so sure they're on top of this, and so adamant that leaving isn't going to happen.

I'm adamant about the SEC not happening, unfortunately. I just don't see us ever getting the votes. We would have to convince a lot of schools to change their minds. That's why at this point i'm not really sure. I'm under the impression we wouldn't do the Big 12 without several partners, and we wouldn't be accepted into the SEC. Not too many options.

Another question is this...what happens if the ACC gets Louisville? Of course there are many on here that would oppose anything the ACC does, but would that make people that count happy (Clemson, Notre Dame, GT, FSU)? If the ACC voted down West Virginia, would they really vote in Louisville? And what would Notre Dame do? I am still under the impression that Notre Dame made the deal with the ACC to eventually get in full-time, in football. Does this change that? For the better or worse?

Lots of wildcards at the moment.
11/27 1:50 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by Micco:
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  


Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.


Not only do they not believe it, they speak out against the administration and call them names.  Everyone's an expert on the message boards.
11/27 1:39 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by Micco:
The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  


Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.


Not only do they not believe it, they speak out against the administration and call them names.  Everyone's an expert on the message boards.

Not trying to be a prick, but what exactly are these other things at stake? I hear people say academics. I say okay, please explain, and they either ignore the post or say it is too complicated to explain on a message board or something like that. I know Barron and a lot of the faculty are proud of the ACC affiliation as are a number of posters here. I just don't see what tangible benefit there is to it.

I am genuinely interested. I'd love to hear what it is.
11/27 1:47 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by samdingo:

Not trying to be a prick, but what exactly are these other things at stake? I hear people say academics. I say okay, please explain, and they either ignore the post or say it is too complicated to explain on a message board or something like that. I know Barron and a lot of the faculty are proud of the ACC affiliation as are a number of posters here. I just don't see what tangible benefit there is to it.

I am genuinely interested. I'd love to hear what it is.
Academic funding, the ACC has a consortium which was just started a few years ago with the eventual goal of becoming like the Big 10's. Basically the goal is to share academic research and funding. If you're associated with the Duke's of the world that could become very beneficial.

University gifting. Will changes in the athletic affiliation affect Booster gifting? Will our donors, who primarily aren't located in the midwest and are located up and down the east coast, still contribute to the program if they never have any interaction with it? Will that have a side-effect of academic gifting?

What are the positives? Increased football ticket sales? Increased donations?

It's not as simple as "we'll make X dollars more per year being in X conference because of TV money", but these are definitely things to consider.


This post was edited on 11/27 2:05 PM by 71/BORASCH/06

11/27 1:58 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by samdingo:

Not trying to be a prick, but what exactly are these other things at stake? I hear people say academics. I say okay, please explain, and they either ignore the post or say it is too complicated to explain on a message board or something like that. I know Barron and a lot of the faculty are proud of the ACC affiliation as are a number of posters here. I just don't see what tangible benefit there is to it.

I am genuinely interested. I'd love to hear what it is.
Academic funding, the ACC has a consortium which was just started a few years ago with the eventual goal of becoming like the Big 10's. Basically the goal is to share academic research and funding. If you're associated with the Duke's of the world that become very beneficial.

University gifting. Will changes in the athletic affiliation affect Booster gifting? Will our donors, who primarily aren't located in the midwest and are located up and down the east coast, still contribute to the program if they never have any interaction with it? Will that have a side-effect of academic gifting?

What are the positives? Increased football ticket sales? Increased donations?

It's not as simple as "we'll make X dollars more per year being in X conference because of TV money", but these are definitely things to consider.
Sorry, I was speaking more to the SEC than the Big XII which in that circumstance it's a no brainer to me, but the SEC does have a similar arrangement... and it only took the ACC 20 years to get this one going. 
11/27 2:13 PM | IP: Logged

Joining the SEC will give us plenty of weekends like this last one. Some team running right down our throats. UT as bead as they were beat NC State with little problem and we scored 16 points. People lets get real here. FSU will struggle in the SEC with the current staff in place.
11/27 2:16 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

Joining the SEC will give us plenty of weekends like this last one. Some team running right down our throats. UT as bead as they were beat NC State with little problem and we scored 16 points. People lets get real here. FSU will struggle in the SEC with the current staff in place.
Well, looks like about 1/3 to 1/2 of the current staff will be heading to the Blue Grass state.

So, you'll get your wish.

FWIW, I agree we need some vitality in our coaching staff. Schemes, play calling, and mental preparedness seem stale.
11/27 2:18 PM | IP: Logged
Borasch...you talk alot about votes. Are you telling us that you KNOW what the votes were in the SEC regarding FSU? 

How would you know if the vote was never cast?

Enlighten us with your wisdom as to what SEC schools were in favor of FSU and those who weren't.

The problem with coming on a message board acting like  a know it all, is that people are going to call you out on it, and if you dont back up your talk you just look like a message board playstation all american that talks a bunch of ish.

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Originally posted by rob90:
Borasch...you talk alot about votes. Are you telling us that you KNOW what the votes were in the SEC regarding FSU? 

How would you know if the vote was never cast?

Enlighten us with your wisdom as to what SEC schools were in favor of FSU and those who weren't.

The problem with coming on a message board acting like  a know it all, is that people are going to call you out on it, and if you dont back up your talk you just look like a message board playstation all american that talks a bunch of ish.



Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

What say you?  

This post was edited on 11/27 2:54 PM by whomp1111

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Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Of course Whompster! Anything for you bud.

It's this simple...

NBC has said they wanted to expand their college football coverage. Why get only ND...when you get could part of an entire conference which included 2 ratings monsters, FSU and Miami? And then have Clemson as well? ND would get more than $15 million per year (what they get now) from the ACC's new NBC/Fox/ESPN/whoever contract. They need to fill their schedule. They're already in for other sports. Their only drawback is not getting 100% of their bowl money, but i think they would make that up in other ways.  Not to mention ND is already going to get better bowls for the ACC with the 5 games per year contract they have now.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

That's why dude!
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.



Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.




Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 
11/28 10:13 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.



Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.




Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 

Agreed.  This is the broad absolute statement with NO backup whatsoever I have seen in a long time.

What's funny, is that not only is there no factual basis for it, it's directly opposite of what both ND and Swoffard said.

It's one thing to speculate that there was some other deal in place (I believe such speculation is born of nothing more than a belief that it *has* to be true because the ACC simply can't have been *that* clueless, but I both disagree and digress); it's another thing to claim it as fact with nothing to base the claim on and when you have to assume both the ACC and ND are liars.
11/28 2:09 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 

No proof that can be linked. Like the "gentleman's agreement" in the SEC.
11/28 10:31 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 

No proof that can be linked. Like the "gentleman's agreement" in the SEC.
The so called gentemen's agreement is not a contract.  It;s not an agreement.  It's not enforceable.  If UF of USC or UGA decide to vote to allow in FSU, or Clemson, or GTech, they can.  It's more an alliance born of perceived self interest than anything else.

That's totally uncomparable to your claim, except insofar as any informal discussions about this issue are totally unenforceable, and if the ACC did this deal on ND's suggestion it may agree later, the ACC got punked.  A deal is what is contained in the written contract, nothing more.  And, the public statements by both parties contradict the very idea of such an agreement, even an informal and unenforceable one.

Another problem is you can see the mutual self interest between the SEC "gentlemen." There is no similar mutual self interest between the ACC and ND.  ND already has ALL IT WANTS in the current deal.  It locks in 5 games a year, making sure it can fill a schedule.  It only shares the revenue for half of them, which provides a basis for it's continued TV value as an independent.  It parks its non-revenue sports in an admittedly strong ACC for those sports.  It gets bowl deals it would not otherwise have, and won't get any more out of being a full football member.

For you to believe ND will join completely, you have to believe that it has a desire to give up it's storied independence, share money so it makes LESS than it will alone, and really get nothing in return, as the contract between it and the ACC locks in all the goodies for nothing for years to come.
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People are starting to take about the ACC like we started talking about the Big East when we took UM and V-Tech. I think they are correct. In my opinion the ACC is on a death spiral. 

1. in next 24 months FSU and one other good team, maybe more leaves the ACC
2. in 5 years ACC is in the Big east, Mountain west, Conf USA play in of the tier II schools 

in 5 years there are 
3 classes of conferences
1. the haves
2. the have nots
3. the small schools you beat up at the beginning of each season 
Leagues like the Big east and the ACC will not even argue they are second tier in five years the difference will be so drastic it will be obvious. In five years we are not talking about 5 - 7 million a year difference in budgets but 100% differences in budgets. The FSU DC in 5 years will make more that Dukes, NC state, V-Techs head coach. 

I am still relatively hopeful we will be gone. Quite honestly it is all about money and we are worth a lot of money. We need to start looking to get out and jump when the opportunity presents itself. The ACC as a big league conference will not exist in 4-5 years. 
11/28 6:55 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Of course Whompster! Anything for you bud.

It's this simple...

NBC has said they wanted to expand their college football coverage. Why get only ND...when you get could part of an entire conference which included 2 ratings monsters, FSU and Miami? And then have Clemson as well? ND would get more than $15 million per year (what they get now) from the ACC's new NBC/Fox/ESPN/whoever contract. They need to fill their schedule. They're already in for other sports. Their only drawback is not getting 100% of their bowl money, but i think they would make that up in other ways.  Not to mention ND is already going to get better bowls for the ACC with the 5 games per year contract they have now.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

That's why dude!
I don;t think your logic is sound.

NBC may have said that, but that is not the same as them saying they won't deal with just ND.  Heck, if they want to pony up the money, they can have ND and others.  However, that's not an option for quite a while given the leagues all have long contracts in place.  To that end, your analysis ignores that the ACC can't just deal with NBC; it has a (crappy) 12 year deal with ESPN/Raycom.

You're also mixing apples with orangges.  ND makes 15M under a contract that's years old and was signed when 15M was a lot of money.  ND dealing alone with ND will get FAR more than the 17M average (another logical miss, in that we won't make 17M for a number of years in the ACC).  If you are actually arguing that ND makes more money as part of the ACC than it does on its own, you lose all credibility.  ND has to make the decision to join the ACC even though it will lose money.  There's no other reasonable way to look at it.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by nolemanb:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.
Because it was fact, from last time. We didn't have the votes. If we would have....we would have been in the SEC. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Going forward...i doubt we get these votes but who knows how this will all play out. I don't think we'll ever go to the SEC. I think we have a stronger possibility of going to the Big 12 (which in and of itself is a long shot). Again, th against personally what i want, which is to go to the SEC.

One thing to consider....how will the new Big 12/SEC alliance play out? You know the TV networks are going to have their say. And if anyone is going to get what they want...it's the television networks. I don't think after making this rosy marriage to play each other as conference champions, they're going to publicly battle it out over a few ACC schools. I think each of them will consult with ESPN/Fox/NBC, they'll consult with the schools they're interested in and each other, and then make offers from there. If anything.

Are you talking about the early 90's or some secret vote that happened more recently?
11/27 1:28 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:

Are you talking about the early 90's or some secret vote that happened more recently?
Before A&M and Missouri were added. It didn't make it to an official vote because it wouldn't made it. Kind of like how a conference wouldn't make an offer if they knew the other team wouldn't accept.
11/27 1:34 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:

Are you talking about the early 90's or some secret vote that happened more recently?
Before A&M and Missouri were added. It didn't make it to an official vote because it wouldn't made it. Kind of like how a conference wouldn't make an offer if they knew the other team wouldn't accept.
Thanks for the info.
11/27 1:35 PM | IP: Logged


I dont know how people within FSU didn't see this coming. For years we have been seeing Swofford continue to add mediocre football talent and really good basketball programs. I dont know for sure but how do you not have a plan A and B in place if things keep going the way they have been going? I mean Maryland will make 100 million more according to some reports. Even if its half that, its a ridiculous number and we can't afford to be that far behind.

I am a huge fan and I volunteer my time to help the University but its hard to spend money to go see Duke, Wake, NC State, etc. play in Doak.
11/27 1:28 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
Riesling?
11/27 12:07 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
Riesling?
I'm a Pinot Noir fan myself.
11/27 12:09 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
Riesling?
I'm a Pinot Noir fan myself.
It's a hard grape to grow. As you know. Right? It's, uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens
early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like cabernet, which can just grow
anywhere and thrive even when it's neglected. No, pinot needs constant care and
attention. You know? And, in fact, it can only grow in these really specific,
little tucked-away corners of the world. And only the most patient and nurturing
of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand
pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Much like FSU in the ACC.

This post was edited on 11/27 12:15 PM by TheBrickhouse

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I hate to say it but I honestly think if we were going to move we would have done it by now.

TCU, WVU, RU, UMD, TAMU and MIssour all made moved and we stood pat.  Maybe were not intersted maybe nobody wants us, but were still in the ACC and for whatever reason percieved lesser schools were snapped up. 

Is our admin not interested....are we not all that special.  It has to be something because were still in the ACC!
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Keep up the good work Gene!

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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.
Actually, there were a lot of cheap tickets outside the stadium on Gameday.

And i was 100% right...that USF was holding back tickets and altering demand, and this was proven as they withheld about 10K tickets. So again, i was right, because the demand was artificial, not because of that many people actually paying those absurd prices for the game.

Anything else?
Even when you're dead wrong, you say you're right. 

Every time.

You kept saying you were in the know and an expert on it, and you were dead wrong. You're very immature.
11/27 11:44 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

You kept saying you were in the know and an expert on it, and you were dead wrong. You're very immature. Even when you're dead wrong, you say you're right. 

Every time.

How am i wrong? USF withheld 10K tickets. I was working directly with their ticket office and President's office on this for months.

I was wrong about prices coming down on Stubhub...that never happened. Is that what you're holding on to? BTW...that wouldn't have happened if the tickets had been released into the marketplace as they should have.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by erock4129:

what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?,  I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.


I don't care to share. Most people who do won't share things on a message board.








Than spare us your douchey know it all posts.  If you don't want to share than don't make any comments.  If you choose to continue to grace us with the former, don't get butt hurt when others call you out. 

11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by GriffDog1:


Than spare us your douchey know it all posts.  If you don't want to share than don't make any comments.  If you choose to continue to grace us with the former, don't get butt hurt when others call you out. 


If you're lucky.
11/27 11:39 AM | IP: Logged
Georgia Tech and Florida State fit the SEC geographically to a T. If all these moves are made because of the television markets that is still the case. While FSU isn't the greatest market by any means, it isn't in a shabby market.

Why any major conference would want Clemson's tv market is a mystery. For an ACC team it's brand is very good, the rest not so much.

I'm thinking we have a shot at the SEC or Big 12 and that's all Gene Williams is saying in his blog. Why the naysayers in this thread continue to ignore that is ridiculous. You know who you are.

It's very obvious that something has to be done and that something will be done. $50 million is a killer, though. Unless the prospective conferences kick in some dough or Maryland shows ACC members a way around that much money it is going to be very difficult for FSU to make a move at this time. Plus, next years revenue looks even worse. Perhaps, someone can enlighten me and the rest of us how we can financially make the move. I would love to know.

For the record, I am all for the SEC move. I'd join the MAC just to get out of this Tobacco Road conference.
11/27 12:07 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by GriffDog1:


Than spare us your douchey know it all posts.  If you don't want to share than don't make any comments.  If you choose to continue to grace us with the former, don't get butt hurt when others call you out. 




If you're lucky.



Your little feeble attempt at being cute is the same skill set that caused the Tampa FSU/USF tailgate to be such a huge success right?  It SUCKED hugely....
11/27 11:43 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by GriffDog1:

Your little feeble attempt at being cute is the same skill set that caused the Tampa FSU/USF tailgate to be such a huge success right?  It SUCKED hugely....
I agree. When we get screwed by our vendors there's nothing i can do, and if you actually saw me that day, you would know i was busting my ass to do everything possible to make it right.

Continue with your cheap shots, new guy.
11/27 11:49 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by GriffDog1:

Your little feeble attempt at being cute is the same skill set that caused the Tampa FSU/USF tailgate to be such a huge success right?  It SUCKED hugely....


I agree. When we get screwed by our vendors there's nothing i can do, and if you actually saw me that day, you would know i was busting my ass to do everything possible to make it right.

Continue with your cheap shots, new guy.


Cheap shot warranted at you a@@hole!
11/27 12:15 PM | IP: Logged
"It was USF...it was the vendors...it wasn't me!!!"

- Borasch the Expert
11/27 11:51 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:
"It was USF...it was the vendors...it wasn't me!!!"

- Borasch the Expert
So you didn't see the 10K empty seats that everyone else saw at the game?

Also, i admit i was wrong about Stubhub prices and you still attack? Who's the mature one?


This post was edited on 11/27 11:54 AM by 71/BORASCH/06

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I'm absolutely, 100% positive, that Borasch knows without a doubt all of the 14 Presidents' inside the SEC vote on expansion.
11/27 11:55 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:

I could give a shit about your opinion
rabble rabble rabble rabble

You "couldn't care enough" to post and ask me about it.
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