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       Re: The War Room - FSU, ACC & conference expansion/realignment - c691027 11/30 10:16 AM (show all)  Views 21785
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Originally posted by erock4129:





Originally posted by AllNoles:







Originally posted by larryvr:
I'll take either the Big 12 or SEC.  We will be much better off either way.  Personally, I think we fight the exit fee, offer $25M and say if you want the rest, you can take us to federal court.  I'm sure the lawyer fees would add up quickly and the ACC will take what we give them.  




I suspect there's a venue clause that requires this to be litigated in NC state court.  I would be shocked if not.

That said, I still think there's a real issue with the fight.  The fact is FSU leaving would be devastating to the ACC, more so than if any other team left.  I would not be shocked at all if FSU had to admit that it would cost the ACC more than $50M over the next 12 years if FSU were to leave.

And, I suspect there's an attorney's fee provision if we lost.




I suspect that FSU can't be strong armed into paying an exit fee it voted against (especially if it chooses to leave quickly), I also suspect that if in fact it's determined that FSU in indeed worth what the ACC says, some judge would listen to a counter claim in seeking revenue commenserate with this perceived value brought to the league.

This post was edited on 11/27 2:10 PM by erock4129


With all due respect, I suspect you don't understand contract law.  "I made a bad deal" is not a viable counterclaim, and no judge in the world could even consider your "commensurate revenue" argument.  If FSU did not like the deal, the revenue split, it should not have signed off.  It did.  Part of contract law is that a party is entitled to make a bad deal, and courts don't "fix" those deals later.

The buyout issue rises or falls on its own merits.  While the "objection" issue might come up, it depends on the league bylaws.  If we signed on to a set of bylaws that allows the majority to change a buyout number, it's a lot harder to complain. 

And, my biggest issue is that the usual remedy for striking a buyout is that the other party just gets to seek damages.  I don't understand how folks don't understand how bad that would be for FSU.  If FSU leaving, and ESPN renegotiating, only cost $1M per team (and I bet it would be more), 13M/year over 12 years is a ton of money.
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Originally posted by AllNoles:




Originally posted by erock4129:








Originally posted by AllNoles:










Originally posted by larryvr:
I'll take either the Big 12 or SEC.  We will be much better off either way.  Personally, I think we fight the exit fee, offer $25M and say if you want the rest, you can take us to federal court.  I'm sure the lawyer fees would add up quickly and the ACC will take what we give them.  






I suspect there's a venue clause that requires this to be litigated in NC state court.  I would be shocked if not.

That said, I still think there's a real issue with the fight.  The fact is FSU leaving would be devastating to the ACC, more so than if any other team left.  I would not be shocked at all if FSU had to admit that it would cost the ACC more than $50M over the next 12 years if FSU were to leave.

And, I suspect there's an attorney's fee provision if we lost.






I suspect that FSU can't be strong armed into paying an exit fee it voted against (especially if it chooses to leave quickly), I also suspect that if in fact it's determined that FSU in indeed worth what the ACC says, some judge would listen to a counter claim in seeking revenue commenserate with this perceived value brought to the league.

This post was edited on 11/27 2:10 PM by erock4129




With all due respect, I suspect you don't understand contract law.  "I made a bad deal" is not a viable counterclaim, and no judge in the world could even consider your "commensurate revenue" argument.  If FSU did not like the deal, the revenue split, it should not have signed off.  It did.  Part of contract law is that a party is entitled to make a bad deal, and courts don't "fix" those deals later.

The buyout issue rises or falls on its own merits.  While the "objection" issue might come up, it depends on the league bylaws.  If we signed on to a set of bylaws that allows the majority to change a buyout number, it's a lot harder to complain. 

And, my biggest issue is that the usual remedy for striking a buyout is that the other party just gets to seek damages.  I don't understand how folks don't understand how bad that would be for FSU.  If FSU leaving, and ESPN renegotiating, only cost $1M per team (and I bet it would be more), 13M/year over 12 years is a ton of money.


So, does this speak to the incompetence of FSU leadership and their inability of getting the school's value out of the contract to begin with?

This post was edited on 11/27 2:40 PM by erock4129

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You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?
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Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?



Florida State will always win.  They have not had a losing season in 24 years, I think.   They are blessed to be in a state with more D1 prospects, along with Texas,  than any state in the south.  Average coaching will get 8 wins, no matter what conference.   Very few teams can say that.   They will always have above average talent.   When they have elite coaching,  jury is not totally out on Jimbo,  they will produce teams like Alabama.   Even in years where they lose 4 games,  it will be more exciting than a 10 win season in the ACC.   Also,   if they get to the championship game with the ACC schedule they had this year,  very well could still be untested and face a team that will beat them.   I think if they get to the championship game through the SEC,  they will be tested and ready for the challenge.
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Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?



So if we move to the SEC, will you change your screen name to alwaysmediocrefsu? 

If we are no better then an 8-4 team in the SEC, then shouldn't we be firing our coaches and hiring somebody else?  I mean, if we can't do better then 8-4 in the SEC, that means even if we go undefeated through the ACC we still won't be good enough to win a national title because we can't beat UF and we can't beat the teams we would play in the playoff. 

Soooo, doesn't that mean it would be bad for FSU to stay in the ACC and keep going 10-2 or 11-1 because we would never win a title, but we would never be bad enough to justify firing our HC?  And therefore, wouldn't FSU be better off moving to the SEC, going 8-4 a few years, firing our HC, then having the SEC money to hire a new HC who can put FSU in the national title picture?

You see, no matter how you frame your argument, the better choice for FSU is to move to the SEC.  You say we would lose more games as though that means we shouldn't do it, but really that proves the point that we should do it.  Because otherwise we are stuck with what you characterized as poor coaching and we will never be good enough to win a title. 
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if we went to th b12, we would be number 11-who would be the number 12?
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Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?
If we went to the SEC and started losing more then Jimbo would be gone.

It's not a hard concept.
11/27 2:50 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by AllNoles:




Originally posted by larryvr:
I'll take either the Big 12 or SEC.  We will be much better off either way.  Personally, I think we fight the exit fee, offer $25M and say if you want the rest, you can take us to federal court.  I'm sure the lawyer fees would add up quickly and the ACC will take what we give them.  


I suspect there's a venue clause that requires this to be litigated in NC state court.  I would be shocked if not.

That said, I still think there's a real issue with the fight.  The fact is FSU leaving would be devastating to the ACC, more so than if any other team left.  I would not be shocked at all if FSU had to admit that it would cost the ACC more than $50M over the next 12 years if FSU were to leave.

And, I suspect there's an attorney's fee provision if we lost.


I suspect that FSU can't be strong armed into paying an exit fee it voted against (especially if it chooses to leave quickly), I also suspect that if in fact it's determined that FSU in indeed worth what the ACC says, some judge would listen to a counter claim in seeking revenue commenserate with this perceived value brought to the league.

This post was edited on 11/27 2:10 PM by erock4129

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