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War Room - ACC scuttlebutt, DC search update, assistants (DC Update 6pm) - Dot Com 12/3 3:22 PM (show all)  Views 31361
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Originally posted by tcnoles4life:

No matter the conference talk I hear, it always comes down to one thing for me. I simply want FSU to be in the SEC. I feel like it would make wins that much more exciting and losses more palatable. Anyone with me on this?


Of course, but this doesn't appear to be a realistic scenario as of right now.

As Dot said, the only way they could possibly desire to invite FSU is if they want to block Big 12 or Big 10 expansion into the South. If the SEC feels threatened by this, they may simply invite FSU out of necessity.

Hope it happens, but don't hold your breath.
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Originally posted by firemanj1:
Seems like Travis Jones would be the goto pick. He has NFL experience and is reported to be a hell of a recruiter, plus the Saints may be making some changes where we could get him and there is history with Jimbo.



Him, Sunseri, and Leavitt are the ones with NFL experience.  Sunseri also has a history with Jimbo.  I like Leavitt, but it's probably one of the other 2 guys.  We'll get a good one.  If you want fire and aggressiveness Leavitt is the guy, but having history together favors the other 2. 
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Bob Shoop or Ellis Johnson.  Losing coordinators sucks but those are 2 guys I feel may be a upgrade.  And as far as recruiting, if you can't recruit to FSU then something is wrong.
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If hired could Ellis Johnson signel something else...
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Originally posted by seinfeld101:
Add me to the list that would love E. Johnson.  I actually think he would be an upgrade over Stoops.  I loved his defense at SC and could only imagine what he would do with FSU's talent.



After getting fired after only a year, Johnson could be in for a let down. Question would be, does he still have that fire in the belly?


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nolesrule74, Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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At this point Bob Shoop from Vandy and Ellis Johnson are probably my top 2. 

Shoop has had Vandy ranked in the top 20 in yards given up per play his 2 years there, and the year before he arrived they ranked in the 70s or 80s.  He took a bunch of VANDY players and made them into a legit defense.  And he is an outstanding secondary coach.  I don't know about his recruiting ability, but everything I know about him I like.
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Originally posted by Nolebra Kai:
Ellis Johnson is my #1 choice. Hope we get him.

Posted from Rivals Mobile





He's been mine too and who I have been telling everybody I want. He did more with less at South Carolina for years and South Carolina currently has the most DBs in the NFL than any other college team... and how many 5 star players have they gotten the years he was there? 4 star? ... i do worry a little about his age, though

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Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.


You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.


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Originally posted by fsujd:






Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.




You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.



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fsujd:

Spin away.

But, and I know these are minor points that undermine your ACC spin:



  • didn't Pitt and Syracuse play in the Big East and the two SEC additions play in the SEC this year,
  • didn't Louisville and Pitt both lose to UCONN this year
  • UNC is sanctioned
  • Miami is not officially sanctioned yet
  • Only 7, not 8, ACC teams actually qualified this year for bowls games, the seventh qualifying ACC team self banned while the ACC replacement team begged after going 6-7




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Originally posted by Nole4757:






Originally posted by fsujd:









Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.






You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.




This post was edited on 12/4 12:20 AM by fsujd







fsujd:

Spin away.

But, and I know these are minor points that undermine your ACC spin:




  • didn't Pitt and Syracuse play in the Big East and the two SEC additions play in the SEC this year,
  • didn't Louisville and Pitt both lose to UCONN this year
  • UNC is sanctioned
  • Miami is not officially sanctioned yet
  • Only 7, not 8, ACC teams actually qualified this year for bowls games, the seventh qualifying ACC team self banned while the ACC replacement team begged after going 6-7







To your points:

1.  Yes they did but still bowl eligible.  Syracuse beat Missouri.
2.  Yes but they are still bowl eligible.
3.   True.
4.    I am aware of that but who wants to type that explaination every time.  The point is they aren't playing in a bowl.
5.    If UM and UNC were bowl eligible GT would not have played in the championship game and finished the season 6-6, bowl eligible. 

Basically nothing you said changed my original post.

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Originally posted by fsujd:






Originally posted by AllNoles:
BORASCH,

The deal with ESPN is not going to allow us to negotiate with anyone other than ESPN. There's no point to them locking us into a contract if we could just go negotiate with others during the life of the deal. This is why I always thought such a long deal, at such a bad price, was such a horrible idea.

Have you seen the ESPN-ACC contract? I will admit I have not, but it's been reported for a while that ESPN has the option to renegotiate the deal if certain things happen to the ACC (life FSU leaving), and that if the ACC changes or adds certain teams which increase value, then ESPN will redo the deal based on some formula. It's not an open re-negotiation, and it's not something that gives the ACC some great new deal.

A few other things. Pitt/Syracuse is already calculated into the current value, but they did not give us real value. The deal increased only becasue we aded inventory to the deal in terms of more games per team. I recall the breakdown of that deal showing we really got nothing by adding those teams.

Maryland and Louisville swapping won't change the deal.

I am not sure about this, but I think it's been reported that the ND 2.5 games/season adds less than a million per team per year. That's a nice bump, but we are still way outside the range of other teams.

Finally, I don't understand your points about ND. ND's contract was worth 15M a year back when other leagues/teams were making less than $7-8M a year. You can't pretend ND extending their deal past '15 will be for anything like ACC money. They'll get $25M or more. And if they join the ACC, they will give up a lont of money, which makes no sense for them to do.




You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory.  By the way those two were unmercifully skewered on here and both end up making bowl games, unlike one of the SEC additions.

The new ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and non-sanctioned UM and UNC would have 11 teams in bowls out of 14. 

Gene, has whipped up the Big 12 hopes again.  If it doesn't happen you guys might be busting his door down.



This post was edited on 12/4 12:20 AM by fsujd





The additional inventory from adding Pitt and Cuse was already included in the ESPN contract signed most recently.  So that is already part of the contract that was to pay $17 million per year average.  

It is unclear what effect, if any, us moving from 9 conference games to 8 will have.  I don't think the contract included a specific number of games, I think it just says ESPN gets ALL ACC football games, so the move from 9 to 8 may not do anything to the contract.  Obviously you are replacing a conference game with an OOC game and as long as that is a home OOC game ESPN still has the rights to it.  Given teams tend to play more home OOC games then away OOC games, the change from 9 to 8 could actually result in more games for ESPN, not less.  But the difference will be negligible in terms of numbers of games. 

Also, I did the math back when the agreement was made with ESPN with the additions of Pitt and Cuse and there WAS an increase in the per game value in comparison to our former ESPN deal.  So the entire increase in value was not due to more inventory alone.  However, the per game value increase was not that large and paled in comparison to the per game value increases in the Pac-12 and (at the time rumored but turned out true) Big 12 agreements. 

Our current contract with ESPN will need to be adjusted to account for the additional inventory of the Notre Dame deal.  Nobody on here has any idea what the language in the contract says in regards to those negotiations and just what they open up so I hope nobody on here pretends to know. It could be nothing more then determining the added value from those specific ND games for all sports, or it could open up larger negotiations into the overall value of the contract.  Same with the change of Maryland for Louisville, nobody on here has any factual basis to say what affect that has on our contract, if that will involve another financial adjustment, or if the contract just stays as is because it is only altering 1 team (it has been reported some of the conference deals only call for re-negotiation if 2 or more teams are changed).  We will have to wait and see what happens with the new negotiations and just how much is put on the table.

Once again, NOBODY ON HERE KNOWS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONTRACT RELATED TO RE-NEGOTIATION

Just want to make sure we are all clear on that, it isn't directed at you FSUJD but for all of us in general.  We are discussing possibilities but in the end we don't really know a lot of the important variables.

Same goes with the 5 year look-in deal.  We have no idea how that works.  Some people want to act like it is 100% written to favor ESPN.  Some people want to act like it could be a saving grace for the ACC if some of the schools start playing really well.  The reality is none of us know a damn thing about how the look-in works and how much power it gives to each side in negotiations. 
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Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 


The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 

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Originally posted by = Iceman =:




Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 




The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 




That is true but when Louisville was added Swofford said the ACC/ESPN deal was not effected and never saw any word of it changing after announcement of 8 conference games. 
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Originally posted by fsujd:



Originally posted by = Iceman =:




Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 



The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 



That is true but when Louisville was added Swofford said the ACC/ESPN deal was not effected and never saw any word of it changing after announcement of 8 conference games. 

It's a 7% reduction of total inventory for ESPN, including losing 1 game a year from FSU, VA Tech, Miami, Clemson, etc.  So, the contract goes down by the percentage loss of inventory.  It's not a huge deal though, b/c FSU will more than make it up by the extra home game every year. 

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Originally posted by = Iceman =:

Originally posted by fsujd:



Originally posted by = Iceman =:




Originally posted by fsujd:

You forgot to mention the 5 year look ins the ACC will get.  If we got more money for more inventory then we got a bump from Syracuse and Pitt because they created more inventory. 



The ACC lost some of that inventory and "bump" when they decided to switch from a 9 game conference schedule to an 8 game conference schedule.  For full disclosure though, FSU will more than make up for the lost revenue through the added annual home game a 4 game OOC schedule affords. 



That is true but when Louisville was added Swofford said the ACC/ESPN deal was not effected and never saw any word of it changing after announcement of 8 conference games. 

It's a 7% reduction of total inventory for ESPN, including losing 1 game a year from FSU, VA Tech, Miami, Clemson, etc.  So, the contract goes down by the percentage loss of inventory.  It's not a huge deal though, b/c FSU will more than make it up by the extra home game every year. 


Not all games would have been televised, so I dont see how the contract goes down by 7%.
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FSUJD,

Do you not recall what the last ESPN "lookin" got the league? A backloaded contract that required the ACC to give up essentially all of its inventory for minimal increase in revenue for an extended period of time. ESPN has zero incentive to significantly increase its payout to a conference it already possesses. It's not like FOX can swoop in during the lookin period and drive the ACC contract price higher. It's a closed negotiation.... One that ESPN holds all the power. The lookin is simply a method that the ACC can save face by saying "our new two homes games against ND annually can get us more money" and then sign a contract through 2030.

The lookin is a fraud. As long as FSU is in the ACC during the period of 2012 til probably at least 2022, we will be getting approximately $8mill less than the Big12 andPAC 12 and $10 to 15 million less annually than SEC and B1G. (including third tier rights) and no lookin clause is going to help that.
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Originally posted by BigHieb:
FSUJD,

Do you not recall what the last ESPN "lookin" got the league? A backloaded contract that required the ACC to give up essentially all of its inventory for minimal increase in revenue for an extended period of time. ESPN has zero incentive to significantly increase its payout to a conference it already possesses. It's not like FOX can swoop in during the lookin period and drive the ACC contract price higher. It's a closed negotiation.... One that ESPN holds all the power. The lookin is simply a method that the ACC can save face by saying "our new two homes games against ND annually can get us more money" and then sign a contract through 2030.

The lookin is a fraud. As long as FSU is in the ACC during the period of 2012 til probably at least 2022, we will be getting approximately $8mill less than the Big12 andPAC 12 and $10 to 15 million less annually than SEC and B1G. (including third tier rights) and no lookin clause is going to help that.


As noted by another poster when Syracuse and Pitt were added that was not a "look in".  That provision came in as part of the re-negotiation when Cuse and Pitt were added.  The ACC got an average of $4 million per team increase when those two were added.  No one right now can say what the look in will bring.  Part of that depends on the ACC's performance of course, including FSU's.  We do know a bump is coming with the ND add.

One reason I don't buy a lot of these projections that are thrown around is they don't all pan out.  Pac 12 is an example.  I read in a Bay area paper that the Pac payout on TV right now is about 15 million (theirs is backloaded too like everybody else) and their future projections may be a little rosey because it includes the Pac 12 Network that has yet to be picked up by Direct TV and some other major carriers.

Big 10 says Maryland will get 12 million more in 2014 than it would in the ACC.  This year the Big 10 paid 24 million per school (and that is with Nebraska not getting full share), ACC 17 million for 7 mil difference.  So in less than two years that is going to almost double with two (really three with Nebraska full share) more schools to pay?  We'll see.

SEC paid 20 million this year.  So they are 3 million ahead.  CBS isn't indicating they will give big bump, if any.  It remains to be seen what SEC actually gets so I don't take 10-15 million gap at face value.  Its 3 right now.  That is what we know.
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Originally posted by BigHieb:
FSUJD,

Do you not recall what the last ESPN "lookin" got the league? A backloaded contract that required the ACC to give up essentially all of its inventory for minimal increase in revenue for an extended period of time. ESPN has zero incentive to significantly increase its payout to a conference it already possesses. It's not like FOX can swoop in during the lookin period and drive the ACC contract price higher. It's a closed negotiation.... One that ESPN holds all the power. The lookin is simply a method that the ACC can save face by saying "our new two homes games against ND annually can get us more money" and then sign a contract through 2030.

The lookin is a fraud. As long as FSU is in the ACC during the period of 2012 til probably at least 2022, we will be getting approximately $8mill less than the Big12 andPAC 12 and $10 to 15 million less annually than SEC and B1G. (including third tier rights) and no lookin clause is going to help that.



That wasn't a lookin.  That was a new contract negotiation. 

And you have no idea how the look-in that is part of the new contract actually works, so don't pretend like you do.  You haven't read the contract and don't know the language and certainly don't know the legality of it.  Maybe it leaves all the negotiation power with ESPN, but for all you know if gives the ACC the ability to challenge the value of the contract in court as not being for fair market value if the value of the ACC changes between now and then.

What we know now are the values under the currently signed contracts for each conference.  We shouldn't hold out hope for some huge increase in 5 years because of the look-in aspect.  But people on here shouldn't dismiss something they have no information on or knowledge of given the fact you have no information on or knowledge of it.
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That has got to be one of the best War Rooms ever published.  Lots of goodies in there.

Ellis Johnson info sounds good.  Bet we hear something this week.
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Am I the only one who thinks Ellis Johnson is good, but would prefer a younger DC?
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Originally posted by SavvysNole:
Am I the only one who thinks Ellis Johnson is good, but would prefer a younger DC?



No.  I agree.
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Someone actually said Miami and a clear shot ata MNC! Have you seen that dumpster fire? And that's before massive sanctions. They haven't even made an ACCCG yet and you are concerned that they have a clear path to the MNC? If FSU and Clumspn leave, no ACC school will ever play for a MNC game due to SOS.
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Northwestern State chose not to renew Peveto's contract due to the bad record.  The news release I read certainly made it sound like the school's choice, not Peveto's.  News story dated 11/20/12.
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I admittedly do not know much about Ellis Johnson, can anyone explain to me why Southern Miss was so terrible this year after having 18 consecutive winning seasons? Just curious....I know coordinators sometimes aren't successful head coaches but I was hoping someone could shed some light on the mishap at USM this year.....TIA
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I agree fantastic reporting.
It's very encouraging to read about us finally waking up to getting out of the ACC

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Originally posted by nolefan04:

Ellis Johnson would be awesome!


I concur!
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Bradley Dale Peveto

I cannot believe there has not been more commentary about this name. Does anybody know anything more about him?

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FSU and Clemson colluding to go to the Big 12, and securing a legitimate offer from the Big 12 to join the conference, is probably our best shot at getting an invite from the SEC. Basically, in the previous round of realignment FSU and Clemson were not a serious threat to go anywhere, so there wasn't any pressure on the SEC to "lock down the southeast" like there would be if we had an offer from the B12. It gives us and Clemson leverage, something we lacked this time last year.

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Bob Shoop is someone I know personally, in 3 yrs at WM he put 8 guys in the NFL, including Derek Cox, Adrian Tracy and Sean Lissemore, and in 2009 WM had an absolute shutdown defense.

He uses a base 4-3, and utilizes LBs very agressively, his scheme relies on shutdown CBs, because it tends to leave them out there on an island, he had that at WM, and from what I could follow this yr, he is beginning to get that at Vandy.

He did have a lot of trouble with option teams, like Ga Southern and JMU.

Overall I think he'd be a diamond in the rough kind of hire. His brother used to be the OC at UNC.

His wife is a fitness instructor, nice lady.

Ok thats all I know on him.
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Originally posted by Pben:
Bob Shoop is someone I know personally, in 3 yrs at WM he put 8 guys in the NFL, including Derek Cox, Adrian Tracy and Sean Lissemore, and in 2009 WM had an absolute shutdown defense.

He uses a base 4-3, and utilizes LBs very agressively, his scheme relies on shutdown CBs, because it tends to leave them out there on an island, he had that at WM, and from what I could follow this yr, he is beginning to get that at Vandy.

He did have a lot of trouble with option teams, like Ga Southern and JMU.

Overall I think he'd be a diamond in the rough kind of hire. His brother used to be the OC at UNC.

His wife is a fitness instructor, nice lady.

Ok thats all I know on him.
Sounds alot like Mickey Andrews style.
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great stuff, dot - thanks!

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Originally posted by PBGBeano:
THIS! Is why I've subscribed to Warchant for over 10 years. Great work Gene on gathering facts on the internal workings of the program.

Of course I'd be remiss if I didn't say I also enjoy reading most of the Looney Tunes on The Tribal Council. Where else can you get comic relief like this for $100.00 a year?



 
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Thanks Gene, I really needed the sanity. Boards have been filled with a lot of b/s lately. They were driving me to the point of dropping out. Again, Thanks.
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Not sure why flying to many of the Big 12 schools is much different than flying up north to Boston or Virginia?

I think Miami is DONE. They don't have the money and can't spend the money to become relevant again. I have very little respect for them but I think USF has a better future which isn't saying much.
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Originally posted by FLYINGNOLE:

Not sure why flying to many of the Big 12 schools is much different than flying up north to Boston or Virginia?

Plane costs are more expensive to Big 12 schools, other than Dallas or Austin.
12/3 5:43 PM | IP: Logged Distance-wise there isn't much of a difference between the long distance schools of the ACC and Big 12. But other than Va Tech and UVA there are some very remote places in the Big 12: Iowa St, Kansas, K-St, Texas Tech come to mind.

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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by FLYINGNOLE:

Not sure why flying to many of the Big 12 schools is much different than flying up north to Boston or Virginia?



Plane costs are more expensive to Big 12 schools, other than Dallas or Austin.


I would suspect most are charter flights if not all. Distance is what costs in a charter flight, unless your going out of the country.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by FLYINGNOLE:

Not sure why flying to many of the Big 12 schools is much different than flying up north to Boston or Virginia?



Plane costs are more expensive to Big 12 schools, other than Dallas or Austin.


It really isn't much of a difference to the majority of places.  It partly depends on where you fly into, do you go to the closest airport even if it is more expensive, or go a little further away and take a bus?  This is a search done on Expedia using Friday, January 25th with a Sunday return.  

TLH to:

Charlotte - $300
Raleigh - $400
Greensboro - $400

Raliegh is closest to NC State, Duke, and UNC, Greensboro is closest to Wake, but Charlotte is cheapest and from Charlotte to Wake is a 1 hour drive, Charlotte to Chapel Hill is 2 hours, Raleigh slightly further.  Does $100 less per person make it worth it to fly into Charlotte and bus it to all those schools?  I would think so given it can't cost much per person to rent a bus.  I don't know what FSU typically does but let's assume to use the cheapest flights.

Clemson (Greenville) - $413

Syracuse - $400

Boston - $300

Louisville - $450

The teams we would play every year would be 2 using the North Carolina airports, Clemson, Syracuse, Boston, Louisville, and Miami (although we obviously don't fly to them except every other year).  Flying to D.C. was easy and about the same cost as Boston, but we won't be playing Maryland any more.

For the teams we don't play every year, you have 2 other teams using the North Carolina airports.  Then you have UVA, VT, Pitt, and as of now GT. 

Charlottesville (UVA) is $400.

Roanoake (VT) - $400

Pitt - $400-450

Atlanta - We can drive there, but they may be gone soon and be replaced by Cincy or UConn.


In the Big 12, assuming us and Clemson join, you can keep the costs down by flying a little further away and then taking a bus for 1-3 hours.  Here are the costs of flights:

San Antonio (1 hour from Austin) - $400
 
Dallas (can be used for TCU who is right there and Baylor, who is 1.5 hours away, and could be used for Texas who is 3 hours away) - $250

Lubbock (TT) - $500 (one of the most expensive, but its been said Texas and TT will want to stay in the same division, so realistically we would likely only play at TT once every 4 years)

Oklahoma City - $470 - Would be used for both OU and OSU, HOWEVER, from Dallas to OU and OSU is less then 3 hours drive.  Considering Dallas is a $250 flight, it wouldn't cost much at all in comparison to get buses and drive the 3 hours.  A 3 hour bus ride after a fairly short flight is not a big deal, especially when we don't fly into places on the same day as the game.

Morgantown (WV) - $580, however, Pittsburgh is just over 1 hour away driving.  So you can fly into Pitt for $100-200 less and then drive.

Des Moines (Iowa State) - $400-450 (when I did this search in the fall, this flight surprisingly was only like $300 so not sure whats up with it)

Kansas City (KU and KState) - $450

If in the Big 12 you would assume we would have Clemson, WV in our division, then probably the Kansas schools and Iowa State.  The other main possibility would be giving us TCU and Baylor from Texas in place of the Kansas schools. 

Using Charlotte for all 4 NC schools (cheapest flight but then a 1-2 hour drive), Dallas for the Oklahoma schools, San Antonio for UT, Pittsburgh for WV, removing Clemson since they are a wash, forgetting about Miami as we are likely to keep playing them regardless, and not taking into consideration GT since we drive there and they may be leaving;

You have average flight costs of (I used the lowest numbers from above for all flights):

ACC - $360

Big 12 - $360

Now you will obviously have additional driving expenses in the Big 12 beyond what you would in the ACC, but getting a bus and putting 40-50 people on it is not that expensive on a per person basis.  Overall, the Big 12 is going to cost more in travel costs, but keep in mind the majority of Big 12 areas the costs of the team hotels are going to be less so that will offset some of the extra transportation costs.

I don't know how every FSU sports team travels or how often, I mainly just know about football.  But overall, it really isn't some huge difference in travel costs. 
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Dear Georgia Tech,

Please leave.
12/3 5:34 PM | IP: Logged

I see renegadewarrior9,

For the love of God please Georgia Tech continue to keep the ball rolling and leave.

I do not think we should wait on Georgia Tech or anyone else to begin negotiations with the SEC and the Big 12.

Florida State should also begin negotiations with the ACC also.

I know this will never happen but if for example the ACC agreed to pay tv money based on nielson ratings and allow the school that makes into the playoffs or the Orange Bowl or ACC Championship game to get half the revenue paid out to the league then Florida State and the other football schools would be hard pressed on leaving.


If the ACC was willing to do all of the above examples then I think the ACC would even have a shot at Notre Dame for full time membership.


 




 
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The ACC is not negotiating with NBC. First, ND is not sharing that deal. Second, the ACC is under a decade plus long contract.

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Originally posted by AllNoles:

The ACC is not negotiating with NBC. First, ND is not sharing that deal. Second, the ACC is under a decade plus long contract.
And ND doesn't have rights to that deal beyond 2015, so yes, NBC can and will try to negotiate with the ACC. My opinion.

The ACC/ESPN deal is renegotiable based on the adding and subtracting of teams. Doesn't matter how long the term is. Not my opinion.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by AllNoles:

The ACC is not negotiating with NBC. First, ND is not sharing that deal. Second, the ACC is under a decade plus long contract.
And ND doesn't have rights to that deal beyond 2015, so yes, NBC can and will try to negotiate with the ACC. My opinion.

The ACC/ESPN deal is renegotiable based on the adding and subtracting of teams. Doesn't matter how long the term is. Not my opinion.
renegotiate, yes.  Opened up to the rest of the market?, doubt it.  
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Let's shock them all and leave for the Big 10 with Georgia Tech.  The Big 10 would love to get into the Florida Market as well.  A lot of there alumni live in Florida now as snow birds. 
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I am in Big 10 country currently so I watch too many of there games. Lets not leave for the Big 10 it is terrible and while the the money would benefit the school going forward I as fan would rather not play those garbage teams and just play the garbage teams that are closer in proximity at this time.



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You're crazy of you think that ESPN gave us a contract that allowed us to demand the ability to negotiate bases on replacing Md with Louisville. I'm sure there are renegotiation triggers, but they're written in ESPN's favor. And, it doesn't just let the conference run ba to the open market.

ND and NBC will negotiate ND's television rights, not the ACC's. I bet that happens very soon after the season since NDis in the MNC game.

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Originally posted by AllNoles:
You're crazy of you think that ESPN gave us a contract that allowed us to demand the ability to negotiate bases on replacing Md with Louisville. I'm sure there are renegotiation triggers, but they're written in ESPN's favor. And, it doesn't just let the conference run ba to the open market.

ND and NBC will negotiate ND's television rights, not the ACC's. I bet that happens very soon after the season since NDis in the MNC game.

No, it's not crazy, and it could work out in the ACC or ESPN's favor determined on the situation. Better deal for better/more programming. Worse deal for lesser teams/programs and/or less programming. You think they're actually gonna let the deal be the same based on two completely different programs and ND (partially for now) being in the ACC? Absolutely not.

BTW...the ACC gets the TV revenue for ND games hosted on ACC campuses. So yea, i think one way or the other that current deal we have is gonna be renegotiated.

NBC wants more college football. They have made this known. They could get a great partial deal with ESPN and the ACC with Notre Dame once the current ND deal expires. If they get $15 million per year from them now, and that is right around what we get from the ACC, both parties would benefit from having a joint deal.

It's not that hard to fathom, it's simple business. Now, what ND has to figure out is bowl money. They would have to determine if it's worth it to share bowl money. Remember...they aren't cash strapped like other schools are and that affects their decision making.




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Yes he is lying to prevent a lawsuit. (Or not lol)
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No thanks re: Bob Shoop.

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