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Originally posted by dlowe01:

No one can say with a straight face that being in the ACC doesn't cost us a few recruits every year.

I can, because that's complete BS. Our recruiting classes the last few years prove it.

Recruits come to play for FSU because of Coach Fisher and his staff, our tradition and everything FSU has to offer...not because of the crappy ACC.
11/27 10:52 AM | IP: Logged
Thanks to goldmom for the historical perspective.  I love that stuff.
11/27 10:53 AM | IP: Logged
This.  And maybe, just maybe, Alabama welcomes a good competitor.
11/27 10:53 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by northvanole:
Thanks to goldmom for the historical perspective.  I love that stuff.
Was about to post the same thing. And then I did.
11/27 10:54 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by FSUPAUL:

The first rule of journalism......Never Let The Facts Interfere With A Good Story.



Well said.

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11/27 10:54 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:
I trust our President and BOT to make the right decisions.

Also, i wouldn't be waiting for the SEC to come calling. We still don't have the votes. If this thing is going to work, it's going to be a move to the Big 12 with several of our southern friends.
Your post kill me....
11/27 10:54 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by goldmom:

My hunch is that Bama would take a look at FSU and have to think that it's entry into the SEC-East along with our recruiting strength against UGA and uf would make it likely that we would take top recruits they might get, thinning out the pool among the three of us and making their path clearer to take the SEC crown on a regular basis.  It weakens those two schools in their eyes on an overall basis and makes us more likely to vote with Bama on conference issues.

We already take their best recruits on an annual basis.

For the other stuff with Bama i agree though.




This post was edited on 11/27 10:58 AM by 71/BORASCH/06

11/27 10:55 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:

No one can say with a straight face that being in the ACC doesn't cost us a few recruits every year.

I can, because that's complete BS. Our recruiting classes the last few years prove it.

Recruits come to play for FSU because of Coach Fisher and his staff, our tradition and everything FSU has to offer...not because of the crappy ACC.
Recruits also want to play in the SEC and will decide to go elsewhere because FSU is in the ACC. We've lost recruits we wanted and maybe, just maybe, the reason we lost them was because we weren't in the SEC.
11/27 10:55 AM | IP: Logged
Think about this for a second. If the Big 12 comes for FSU, how would the SEC react to the Big 12 getting a foothold in Florida?

Personally, I don't think the SEC would like that, and they would counter and try get get FSU. Plus as someone else said, if we join the SEC we would take recruits from Florida.

The SEC would make more sense geographically for one and you would have insane rivalries developing. Id love to see FSU play Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, etc. 

$$$ wise, the SEC makes the most sense, as there is the big media contract, and travel costs would be less in most cases.

Just my thoughts.
11/27 10:55 AM | IP: Logged
I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them.  

SEC is 1st preference of course..how's this for a schedule in 2014?


Assumes 9 conference games:

Home with an FBS School
@ Mississippi State
@ Georgia Tech
Home vs. Kentucky
@ Miami
Home vs. Tennessee
Home vs. Georgia
@ Vanderbilt
Home vs. Arkansas
@ South Carolina
Home vs FBS School
Home vs. Florida
11/27 10:56 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Noiler:
Why would Bama want to add FSU to the SEC? 

Everything seems to point to the ACC crumbling, the BIG 10 reaching out east, and the BIG 12 grabbing FSU and Clemson. I can't say the BIG 12 is all that exciting but it sure beats the dumpster fire that is the ACC.


To protect the Sec. It would be a defensive maneuver just like keeping the Big 10 out of the Atlanta area by adding GT. I don't think the Sec would be very happy if FSU, Clemson GT and Miami or VA tech went to the big 12. That could rain on the parade of the SEC being the heads and shoulders best conference and weaken their negotiating position for TV.
11/27 10:57 AM | IP: Logged
We have no offer, embrace the ACC , bite your tongue, your voice is treason. i've heard it from various posters. These posters forget the 60s and 70s. To be heard you must voice your opinion, it may or may not matter but to be quite you will never be heard. 
 Now I'm not saying we have an offer but it looks promising and for now that's a plus.
11/27 10:57 AM | IP: Logged
Very nice to know that we have an advocate in 'Bama!!  That could be enough to sway enough other members to give us the thumbs up!!!

We really do need to get away from the ACC quickly if we're going to because sinking ships tend to pull over stuff that's close by down with them...
11/27 10:58 AM | IP: Logged
I still don't understand why we wouldn't be doing everything in our power to join the most powerful conference in all of the universe. I mean, why go anywhere other than the SEC? If us keyboard experts can see the landscape changing and that the ACC is crumbling like a three week old Chips Ahoy!, I'd hope our leadership could see it too. Who cares if we beg at the foot of Slive, just get the job done and secure our future in the universe. 
11/27 11:00 AM | IP: Logged

I know we are all not high on Jimbo right now but I assure you he is pushing this hard.  He wants out of the ACC.  So badly, in fact, that he may go to Auburn if we do not go now.  This is what I am hearing from both FSU and AU folks
11/27 11:00 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by sidnole5:

I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them. 

Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.
11/27 11:02 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by sidnole5:
I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them.  

SEC is 1st preference of course..how's this for a schedule in 2014?


Assumes 9 conference games:

Home with an FBS School
@ Mississippi State
@ Georgia Tech
Home vs. Kentucky
@ Miami
Home vs. Tennessee
Home vs. Georgia
@ Vanderbilt
Home vs. Arkansas
@ South Carolina
Home vs FBS School
Home vs. Florida




That schedule ---------> it moved.
11/27 11:04 AM | IP: Logged
If any of this is true, I think for Alabama, this is pretty much a self-interest for them. Adding FSU to a division with UF, UGA, UT, and USCjr makes it much harder for any one team to establish a firm dominance and thus makes it easier for Alabama to dominate the league. In terms of the SEC adding FSU and GT, that clearly is a defensive move to keep the B1G or Big XII out of the Southeastern markets. The last thing the SEC might want is the B1G or Big XII being able to get their networks (Big XII would be proposed) on a tier that is the same as the SEC. 

One thing that might be in our favor is that the SEC seems to care about its brand more than any other league. I couldn't see them doing what the B1G did by adding school like Rutgers, simply for access to TV markets. The SEC wants to expand, but not at the expense of tarnishing its brand. Missouri was close to doing that, so I am not so sure they would go add an NC State simply to get television sets if it tarnishes the brand. We will see though.
11/27 11:04 AM | IP: Logged
I continue to hope FSU is welcomed into the SEC.  This is where the university belongs.   I find the comment about Georgia Tech and the Atlanta market quite strange.  I live in Dunwoody and the area is practically all UGA fans and alumni.  The media is just about all UGA as well.  I can't see GT and their small fan base ever pulling in much television revenue.I feel either Clemson or NC State would be the better choice.

Thanks Alabama.  Perhaps we should play them in 2014.
11/27 11:05 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by sidnole5:

I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them. 

Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.
How many votes would be required?
11/27 11:06 AM | IP: Logged
How do we know we don't have the votes in the SEC? Let's say Vandy wants to vote "NO." Why couldn't we say: "If you vote 'YES' we promise not to beat you by 50."
11/27 11:07 AM | IP: Logged
Wonder how adding ND as a partial member would have on us leaving?
Also lets start an exit fee fund... Ill start with a $100 donation, whos with me?
11/27 11:10 AM | IP: Logged

Yes, its a statement from Gene, not anyone at FSU.  This seems more of an opinion piece than a report of facts.  My hunch is were stuck in the ACC for a long time.  Hope I am wrong but I just dont see our AD or Barron doing anything.  Barron is our version of the president at scUM (without the dealings with rogue boosters of course).
11/27 11:10 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Noiler:

How do we know we don't have the votes in the SEC? Let's say Vandy wants to vote "NO." Why couldn't we say: "If you vote 'YES' we promise not to beat you by 50."
I'm sure that will work. LOL
11/27 11:11 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by sidnole5:
Wow......strongest statement I've ever seen from dot that we are in play....fingers crossed

We can only hope

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11/27 11:11 AM | IP: Logged
Northva, that's what I've never understood. The SEC homers always talk about markets an geographic sense in adding teams by adding weak teams. Makes no sense. Adding a teams like FSU Will bring more revenue than adding a market like Carolina. At first, they will get viewers but in the end it will be like When Vandy plays all the other SEC top schools, no one cares. FSU vs Insert almost every SEC school would generate more viewers than current teams match ups. Furthermore we are untouchable iin merchandise sales when our team is strong.
11/27 11:11 AM | IP: Logged
Looking at our home schedule next year with the ACC and what it could be if we were in the SEC....holy cow talking about selling more seats. Seems like an obvious move if we could pull it off.

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11/27 11:11 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by ShadyNole13:





Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by sidnole5:

I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them. 



Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.


How many votes would be required?



This ^^^ and how do you know we don't have the votes required, you can't just make a statement like you know facts and not explain where your info comes from. Has FSU been told that, do you know that there was a vote, and we didn't have enough, what's your basis for making that statement?
11/27 11:13 AM | IP: Logged

Looks like the reach around posse and the platinum chiefs are sucking ass. LOL
11/27 11:15 AM | IP: Logged

Please let this happen. I dont care if its the SEC or Big 12!

11/27 11:16 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:



Originally posted by ShadyNole13:





Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by sidnole5:

I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them. 



Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.


How many votes would be required?



This ^^^ and how do you know we don't have the votes required, you can't just make a statement like you know facts and not explain where your info comes from. Has FSU been told that, do you know that there was a vote, and we didn't have enough, what's your basis for making that statement?

Yes i can and no i don't have to explain anything to you. Believe me or not...i don't care.

And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.
11/27 11:18 AM | IP: Logged
The SEC will take FSU and GA Tech. The footprint of both schools assures the SEC the entire Southeast. No chance in hell they let the big 12 get that kind of money from the South East market.

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11/27 11:18 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by erock4129:






Originally posted by ShadyNole13:








Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:







Originally posted by sidnole5:

I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!!  How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games?  Or in the past Maryland?  The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston.  You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators.  May even keep playing Miami.  We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them. 





Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.




How many votes would be required?





This ^^^ and how do you know we don't have the votes required, you can't just make a statement like you know facts and not explain where your info comes from. Has FSU been told that, do you know that there was a vote, and we didn't have enough, what's your basis for making that statement?



Yes i can and no i don't have to explain anything to you. Believe me or not...i don't care.

And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.



I don't see anyone freaking out, not me anyway, just asked a question, since you continue to put out statements like you know something, I was hoping you could enlighten us. I could give a shit about your opinion, now if you had some facts to back it up, that's a different story.
11/27 11:21 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:

I could give a shit about your opinion
rabble rabble rabble rabble

You "couldn't care enough" to post and ask me about it.
11/27 11:24 AM | IP: Logged
What a shock Mr Know it All Borasch talking out of his ass like he is Mr Expansion when for the last 2 years he has been continually wrong...dude just shut up for once because you know nothing more than all but a few at this point..while I appreciate your passion for FSU your constant pompousness is a real drag
11/27 11:27 AM | IP: Logged

This is one of the reasons I really, really appreciate WC.

Lots of stuff out there but WC has proven to be pretty darn reliable.

Perfect?  no  , no one is

But for me the most reliable source out there when it comes to FSU FB

thanks again to Gene and the entire WC staff!
11/27 11:27 AM | IP: Logged





Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by erock4129:

I could give a shit about your opinion


rabble rabble rabble rabble

You "couldn't care enough" to post and ask me about it.



what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?,  I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.
11/27 11:28 AM | IP: Logged
Thanks for the information Gene. Hopefully Alabama and its partners can help FSU get in the SEC. If not, hopefully the Big 12 works out.
11/27 11:30 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by NoleNewsIsGoodNews:
What a shock Mr Know it All Borasch talking out of his ass like he is Mr Expansion when for the last 2 years he has been continually wrong...dude just shut up for once because you know nothing more than all but a few at this point..while I appreciate your passion for FSU your constant pompousness is a real drag
What have i been wrong about? I said:
  • we wouldn't go to the Big 12 last year...we didn't
  • we wouldn't go to the SEC last year...we didn't
  • we would get Notre Dame...we did

Looks like i've been right, as it pertains to us, so far.


And i'm sorry my "constant pompousness" is a real drag, but i'm one of the few bringing reality and common sense into the discussion. Sorry brah

11/27 11:30 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:

what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?,  I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.
I don't care to share. Most people who do won't share things on a message board.



11/27 11:32 AM | IP: Logged
I prefer to go to the SEC, but at this point just GTFO of this conference.
11/27 11:34 AM | IP: Logged
Some of you have zero reading comprehension. Gene's intro states clearly that that he's giving us speculation and rumor that has more authority than unfounded opinion. The piece is full of warnings not to take anything as gospel, other than that change is ahead.
11/27 11:35 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by erock4129:

what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?,  I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.


I don't care to share. Most people who do won't share things on a message board.








Than spare us your douchey know it all posts.  If you don't want to share than don't make any comments.  If you choose to continue to grace us with the former, don't get butt hurt when others call you out. 

11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged





Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:
I trust our President and BOT to make the right decisions.

Also, i wouldn't be waiting for the SEC to come calling. We still don't have the votes. If this thing is going to work, it's going to be a move to the Big 12 with several of our southern friends.



and you know how the votes will go?  If so, let us know.
11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged
Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.
11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged

I wish you were wrong Borash...but I think you are going to be proven correct.  Its going to be FSU in the ACC.  Not sure I would call staying in the ACC common sense, but I think that is our fate.
11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged

I love everything about this article. This is what FSU needs to move on rather stay in this sub Big East conference. Lets work it out!
11/27 11:38 AM | IP: Logged
Borasch, you say everyone else is all riled up, yet you've posted on this thread alone 7 times.  

Cool your jets.  Debating over which conference would be best to join vs staying in the ACC is a nice filler between getting beat by UF and awaiting the ACC Championship game.

You don't have to jump all over everyone for simply having an opinion different than yours, regardless of how informed you are (and for anyone to assume that you're informed is comical).  

SEC would always be preferred.  ACC has work to do.  Big 12 would be good but not great.  This offseason should be very interesting.  

Am I freaking out?  Am I riled up?  Am I all over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece?  I'm sure you'll find something to bash me for.  Here's to your next 30 posts on the topic.  

This post was edited on 11/27 11:39 AM by Play_Maker005

11/27 11:38 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:
I trust our President and BOT to make the right decisions.

Also, i wouldn't be waiting for the SEC to come calling. We still don't have the votes. If this thing is going to work, it's going to be a move to the Big 12 with several of our southern friends.
Meh, no one knows that we don't have the votes.
11/27 11:38 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by GriffDog1:


Than spare us your douchey know it all posts.  If you don't want to share than don't make any comments.  If you choose to continue to grace us with the former, don't get butt hurt when others call you out. 


If you're lucky.
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