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Borasch I think your a good kid..you will mature in due time like all people do..
11/27 11:39 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:
And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.

I understand you are passionate about this stuff but throwing me under the bus won't help. If this was just my opinion it would be in a column and you know that. And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch. 

Just passing along stuff I've heard.  You and others know we don't throw around this conference stuff very often and I wouldn't do it on a whim or just to drum up business.

11/27 11:39 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.
Actually, there were a lot of cheap tickets outside the stadium on Gameday.

And i was 100% right...that USF was holding back tickets and altering demand, and this was proven as they withheld about 10K tickets. So again, i was right, because the demand was artificial, not because of that many people actually paying those absurd prices for the game.

Anything else?
11/27 11:41 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by GriffDog1:


Than spare us your douchey know it all posts.  If you don't want to share than don't make any comments.  If you choose to continue to grace us with the former, don't get butt hurt when others call you out. 




If you're lucky.



Your little feeble attempt at being cute is the same skill set that caused the Tampa FSU/USF tailgate to be such a huge success right?  It SUCKED hugely....
11/27 11:43 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:

Originally posted by FSUPAUL:

The first rule of journalism......Never Let The Facts Interfere With A Good Story.



Well said.

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More sauvignon blanc, sir? Or, were you drinking the viognier?
11/27 11:44 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.
Actually, there were a lot of cheap tickets outside the stadium on Gameday.

And i was 100% right...that USF was holding back tickets and altering demand, and this was proven as they withheld about 10K tickets. So again, i was right, because the demand was artificial, not because of that many people actually paying those absurd prices for the game.

Anything else?
Even when you're dead wrong, you say you're right. 

Every time.

You kept saying you were in the know and an expert on it, and you were dead wrong. You're very immature.
11/27 11:44 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:
And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.

I understand you are passionate about this stuff but throwing me under the bus won't help. If this was just my opinion it would be in a column and you know that. And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch. 

Just passing along stuff I've heard.  You and others know we don't throw around this conference stuff very often and I wouldn't do it on a whim or just to drum up business.

Just sent ya an email boss.
11/27 11:45 AM | IP: Logged
Keep up the good work Gene!

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11/27 11:45 AM | IP: Logged

This is all good news.  What conference as of now do we have a stronger shot at landing at-big 12 or sec?
11/27 11:45 AM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Noiler:
The traveling issue for the BIG 12 is a major stubbling block for that move. 



We have traveling issues right now in the ACC. BC and Syracuse for sure as it stands now and if UCONN were added that would be more. If the B12 expanded with 2-4 southeast teams that would produce a good nucleus for an eastern division.


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11/27 11:46 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by NoleNewsIsGoodNews:
What a shock Mr Know it All Borasch talking out of his ass like he is Mr Expansion when for the last 2 years he has been continually wrong...dude just shut up for once because you know nothing more than all but a few at this point..while I appreciate your passion for FSU your constant pompousness is a real drag



There's always the ignore tab which makes for more pleasnt reading ... Besides, another poster revealed that Bor is actually John Swofford!
11/27 11:47 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

You kept saying you were in the know and an expert on it, and you were dead wrong. You're very immature. Even when you're dead wrong, you say you're right. 

Every time.

How am i wrong? USF withheld 10K tickets. I was working directly with their ticket office and President's office on this for months.

I was wrong about prices coming down on Stubhub...that never happened. Is that what you're holding on to? BTW...that wouldn't have happened if the tickets had been released into the marketplace as they should have.
11/27 11:47 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by GriffDog1:

Your little feeble attempt at being cute is the same skill set that caused the Tampa FSU/USF tailgate to be such a huge success right?  It SUCKED hugely....
I agree. When we get screwed by our vendors there's nothing i can do, and if you actually saw me that day, you would know i was busting my ass to do everything possible to make it right.

Continue with your cheap shots, new guy.
11/27 11:49 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by emeraldnole:
The SEC will take FSU and GA Tech. The footprint of both schools assures the SEC the entire Southeast. No chance in hell they let the big 12 get that kind of money from the South East market.

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I'd be inclined to agree, however, there would still be a lot of football schools left in the old acc that would likely continue the move to the B12, don't you think? Wouldn't miami, VT, Clemson, and a few others very much enjoy becoming part of the B12 east?
11/27 11:50 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by NoleNewsIsGoodNews:

Borasch I think your a good kid..you will mature in due time like all people do..
Thanks?
11/27 11:50 AM | IP: Logged

I'd prefer the Big 12 because I'm in Big 12 country and it would be way more beneficial for me

However, I think it the SEC is a better fit and where we should be, but I would take the Big 12 any day of the week.  Just get the heck out and into a conference that is about football.

Please oh please.
11/27 11:51 AM | IP: Logged
"It was USF...it was the vendors...it wasn't me!!!"

- Borasch the Expert
11/27 11:51 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:
"It was USF...it was the vendors...it wasn't me!!!"

- Borasch the Expert
So you didn't see the 10K empty seats that everyone else saw at the game?

Also, i admit i was wrong about Stubhub prices and you still attack? Who's the mature one?


This post was edited on 11/27 11:54 AM by 71/BORASCH/06

11/27 11:52 AM | IP: Logged
I'm absolutely, 100% positive, that Borasch knows without a doubt all of the 14 Presidents' inside the SEC vote on expansion.
11/27 11:55 AM | IP: Logged

Thanks Dot. Great stuff.
11/27 11:56 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolemanb:
I'm absolutely, 100% positive, that Borasch knows without a doubt all of the 14 Presidents' inside the SEC vote on expansion.
Thanks dude. I appreciate your support. You da man!
11/27 11:56 AM | IP: Logged

A positive future for FSU Football lies almost entirely on our exit from the ACC.  A move to the SEC should be our first choice, because it makes sense.  I would still take the Big 12 anyday.  Please, please, FSU, get out of the ACC sooner than later.  The ACC ship is sinking fast, infact it's been taking on water for years.
11/27 11:57 AM | IP: Logged
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
11/27 11:57 AM | IP: Logged

I hate to say it but I honestly think if we were going to move we would have done it by now.

TCU, WVU, RU, UMD, TAMU and MIssour all made moved and we stood pat.  Maybe were not intersted maybe nobody wants us, but were still in the ACC and for whatever reason percieved lesser schools were snapped up. 

Is our admin not interested....are we not all that special.  It has to be something because were still in the ACC!
11/27 12:03 PM | IP: Logged

I guess it would be the next best scenario if the ACC blows up to go to Big 12 with 3 other ACC football schools and create two, 7 team divisions in the Big 12.

East: FSU, Miami, Clemson, NC St, WVU, Iowa St, TCU
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

I think if FSU moves and another conference is looking to expand, they have to add Miami with us. Then it comes down to what two schools haven't been poached by the Big 10 or SEC by that time.
11/27 12:04 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by northvanole:
I don't know why people are surprised at Bama's power.  They wanted FSU in 1991 (as did Auburn and LSU and Vandy) and the SEC champ game was supposed to be in Birmingham (which it was for several years).  FSU would be supported by those three schools as well as UGA (they would have to if they let in GT) and Tenn. (Dave Hart is AD)
People keep saying that the SEC should go after new markets - but the SEC was told by CBS months ago when they tried to get more money for adding Missouri and the Aggies that matchups matter more than the location.  So who thinks NCState would provide more viewers playing UGA than FSU? 
Well, it's all speculation at this point.  And certain actions will occur which will cause reactions - and that is when predictabitlity is impossible.  Could be fun (if it ends well)
ICEMAN wrote a dissertation that said markets mattered more when comes to creating a TV Network such as BTN.....said florida could generate as much as $45 million per year alone not counting all the other states the SEC has a presence in. So I don't know where the truth lies, somewhere in the middle.
11/27 12:04 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
Riesling?
11/27 12:07 PM | IP: Logged
Screw the ACC no matter where we go.
11/27 12:07 PM | IP: Logged
Georgia Tech and Florida State fit the SEC geographically to a T. If all these moves are made because of the television markets that is still the case. While FSU isn't the greatest market by any means, it isn't in a shabby market.

Why any major conference would want Clemson's tv market is a mystery. For an ACC team it's brand is very good, the rest not so much.

I'm thinking we have a shot at the SEC or Big 12 and that's all Gene Williams is saying in his blog. Why the naysayers in this thread continue to ignore that is ridiculous. You know who you are.

It's very obvious that something has to be done and that something will be done. $50 million is a killer, though. Unless the prospective conferences kick in some dough or Maryland shows ACC members a way around that much money it is going to be very difficult for FSU to make a move at this time. Plus, next years revenue looks even worse. Perhaps, someone can enlighten me and the rest of us how we can financially make the move. I would love to know.

For the record, I am all for the SEC move. I'd join the MAC just to get out of this Tobacco Road conference.
11/27 12:07 PM | IP: Logged

goldmom nailed it.
11/27 12:08 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
Riesling?
I'm a Pinot Noir fan myself.
11/27 12:09 PM | IP: Logged

1) Folks let's not hijack this into a personal pissing contest.  Truth is nobody knows what is going to happen and it should actually be fun to speculate.  It's a freakin message board folks. 

2) My speculation:  Though FSU and the SEC are the best and by far the most natural fit, the way in to the SEC is going to take too long and be too risky for FSU to turn down an offer from the Big 12.  And the Big 12 and FSU are both getting antsy.  As the ACC collapses, FSU needs to join a big boy football conference and the Big 12 knows it could really use  another big name athletic program.  As the rumors of Ga Tech and FSU to SEC fly, I think you may see the Big 12 call very soon.  And again, I do not think FSU says "no thanks, we are waiting on the SEC to invite us" should this happen.
11/27 12:09 PM | IP: Logged
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
11/27 12:10 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by noleclone:

1) Folks let's not hijack this into a personal pissing contest.  Truth is nobody knows what is going to happen and it should actually be fun to speculate.  It's a freakin message board folks. 

2) My speculation:  Though FSU and the SEC are the best and by far the most natural fit, the way in to the SEC is going to take too long and be too risky for FSU to turn down an offer from the Big 12.  And the Big 12 and FSU are both getting antsy.  As the ACC collapses, FSU needs to join a big boy football conference and the Big 12 knows it could really use  another big name athletic program.  As the rumors of Ga Tech and FSU to SEC fly, I think you may see the Big 12 call very soon.  And again, I do not think FSU says "no thanks, we are waiting on the SEC to invite us" should this happen.
Pretty much agree with everything here.

I want the SEC. I want big games against Bama, Tennessee, USCjr, UGA, LSU, etc. How much freaking fun would that be?
11/27 12:11 PM | IP: Logged
Hopefully something gets done a.s.a.p. so we can finally leave this crappy football conference!
11/27 12:12 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
Riesling?
I'm a Pinot Noir fan myself.
It's a hard grape to grow. As you know. Right? It's, uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens
early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like cabernet, which can just grow
anywhere and thrive even when it's neglected. No, pinot needs constant care and
attention. You know? And, in fact, it can only grow in these really specific,
little tucked-away corners of the world. And only the most patient and nurturing
of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand
pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Much like FSU in the ACC.

This post was edited on 11/27 12:15 PM by TheBrickhouse

11/27 12:14 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by GriffDog1:

Your little feeble attempt at being cute is the same skill set that caused the Tampa FSU/USF tailgate to be such a huge success right?  It SUCKED hugely....


I agree. When we get screwed by our vendors there's nothing i can do, and if you actually saw me that day, you would know i was busting my ass to do everything possible to make it right.

Continue with your cheap shots, new guy.


Cheap shot warranted at you a@@hole!
11/27 12:15 PM | IP: Logged
Out of all of that, this is what I'm hoping for: UConn to the ACC! Let the dominoes fall into place...
11/27 12:17 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by rancekay:
Wow!!!!
Thanks for the update Gene!
I love Florida State and I am convinced our athletic future is dependent upon us exiting the ACC.
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I find comments like this one ironic. Most people on this board are too young to remember, but we were an independent for DECADES before we joined the ACC. I remember going to a game in 1990 think it was, and seeing all these t-shirts that said, SEC, kiss my ACC. At the time I thought, 'do these people know what they're celebrating?' For FSU, who was a true football power at the time, joining a round ball conference didn't seem like a good idea, and it's only gotten worse.

While it can be argued that playing in the ACC was the gateway to our two NCs, there's no guarantee that couldn't have happened anyway. I have always thought that we should have done what Notre Dame did. Make a TV deal with another independent maverick like Turner Broadcasting Systems to carry 5 or 6 FSU games per year as we went against the South's most powerful and storied teams: Bama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, and Eastern independents like Pitt and Penn State. We had just come out of the decade of the '80s when Coach Bowden took the Noles on the road and beat the likes of Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Nebraska. Occassionally throw in a Big 8 or Big 10 opponent and travel to the West Coast every couple of years to kick some PAC 10 booty. Build the fan base by taking the FSU brand nation wide. But none of that happened. Couldda, Shouldda, Wouldda. Now here we are 23 years later standing track side watching the gravy train speed by, hat in hand, looking for another 'conference' to play in. Maybe, just maybe, someone at FSU should be thinking out of the confer---, er, box this time around.
11/27 12:19 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by NoleNewsIsGoodNews:
What a shock Mr Know it All Borasch talking out of his ass like he is Mr Expansion when for the last 2 years he has been continually wrong...dude just shut up for once because you know nothing more than all but a few at this point..while I appreciate your passion for FSU your constant pompousness is a real drag
What have i been wrong about? I said:
  • we wouldn't go to the Big 12 last year...we didn't
  • we wouldn't go to the SEC last year...we didn't
  • we would get Notre Dame...we did

Looks like i've been right, as it pertains to us, so far.


And i'm sorry my "constant pompousness" is a real drag, but i'm one of the few bringing reality and common sense into the discussion. Sorry brah



You are a constant know it all that rubs people the wrong way.  You have been saying for months there is no chance we are ever leaving the ACC, to give it up, we are clueless and have no idea what we are talking about.  You said we are stuck in the ACC and are not getting out.  The buyout was too big and that no conference wants us.  Then Maryland did exactly what we should do.   I guess you were wrong on being able to get out. 

No one said we were going to the Big 12 or SEC this year, meaning this current football season.  Where are you getting that?  Furthermore, we got Notre Dame?  How's that?  They are not a part of this conference in football.  Dont act like you were right on that.  ND made it to the BCS title without the ACC, why in the hell would they join it now?  Hate to tell you but you are not right all of the time, and looks like you may be very wrong when we leave this POS of a conference. 

In my opinion you are way off!


This post was edited on 11/27 12:30 PM by jboner

11/27 12:21 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by AllNoles:
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
How do you know that FSU hasn't been talking to other conference leaders secretly since last summer?  You don't.  In fact, none of us do, even Borasch. 
11/27 12:23 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by AllNoles:
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information.  And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests. 
11/27 12:28 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by tano01:

I'd prefer the Big 12 because I'm in Big 12 country and it would be way more beneficial for me

However, I think it the SEC is a better fit and where we should be, but I would take the Big 12 any day of the week.  Just get the heck out and into a conference that is about football.

Please oh please.




Agree with this sentiment 100%. Hopefully it comes to fruition.
11/27 12:31 PM | IP: Logged
Great Points GrizzlyNole.....some of those games to sit through in the 80's and 90's were brutal. The yearly games with Miami, Va Tech, South Carolina were good games, but the old Metro Conference/Independent days were rougher than the ACC. And IF we got any kind of a TV deal as an independent, it would not be a good one. Not a logical option at all.

My concerns are: Based on the other teams mentioned, we would be in the west division if they did it geographically correct in the SEC.

If Big 12, is the pie going to be sliced evenly or are Texas and Oklahoma going to expect to be catered to with caviar with everyone else getting Pork Rinds?

Love the speculation, but we need to keep an even keel about this until we know what Maryland pays to buy itself out and then see what is happening at that point.
11/27 12:34 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by AllNoles:
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information.  And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests. 

That part is big.
11/27 12:34 PM | IP: Logged
Guys- great stuff and thanks so much Gene. Hey we are all Noles here cut out the bickering!
Listen BCH or someone who knows. How does Pres Barron factor into this? Someone said in another thread that he spent some time at UT-Austin and hates the Big 12 academics and is enamored with the ACC. How does rubbing elbows with Duke help us on the academic front? I would love the SEC but I would take the Big12 with us and Clemson. I do see GaTech going to the BIG with BC, makes sense.
11/27 12:35 PM | IP: Logged
Two questions for you Gene and they both may be a bit premature:

1.If Big 12 expands do you think they'll go 12, 14, 16?

2.If ACC loses at least 4 schools do you see them merging with another conference completely or trying to fill the spots with      best fit schools?
11/27 12:37 PM | IP: Logged
OK, I have some dumb questions - so if we joined the SEC, what new money would that bring into that conference in the way of TV money? FSU already is on almost every weekend here in Jax and surrounding areas, and I assume it's the same for GT in Atlanta as it is for UGA or Clemson as it relates to USCe...these markets would already get the SEC Network channels...I could definitely see where the Big 10/12 would pay more to get us due to getting new viewers potentially...

Would joining the SEC impact the future of the Miami rivalry? I know they are down now, but in 5-6 years they could be back...

I know I would definitely miss the basketball rivalries we now have with Duke and UNC if we left the ACC tho, as bad as we are in football, with the additions of Pitt and Syracuse, I was REALLY looking forward to basketball upcoming seasons...but then again, getting past UF and Kentucky would be just as difficult...just wondering if playing in the SEC would hurt basketball recruiting versus telling recruits they could play in the ACC?
11/27 12:37 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:


Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by AllNoles:
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information.  And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests. 

That part is big.

Sure is.
11/27 12:37 PM | IP: Logged
I think because of all the BCS computers disrespect this year, I would really think this would be the time to push for the SEC!
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