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Great article Dot.  I'm still on fence with conference realignment. Most everything you heard me say prevoiusly was for FSU to stay in ACC. If FSU were to make a move I've always said I would be interested in FSU going to the Big 12 provided the money was as big as what everone had been saying and that FSU would get it's own TV network.  I like any advantage FSU can get over FU.  A TV network would be huge for recruiting.
11/27 12:37 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.
11/27 12:39 PM | IP: Logged
If I'm FSU, I start working the phones to get the SEC Presidents on board with an FSU offer. 

The problem FSU has is there are more programs that would vote "no" than just Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina.  A&M would likely be a "no" as well, b/c I know for certain they don't ever want Texas to be let in.  And, I can't imagine that Tennessee, Vandy, or Kentucky would be all that enthusiastic about adding another team that will beat them down annually.  I would think there'd be a lot more support for teams like VA Tech, UNC, and NC State for the simple fact that (a) they don't encroach on anyone's territory, and (b) none of those 3 are world beaters.  That East Division would be brutal with Florida State, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee if they ever get their act together. 

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Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:


Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by AllNoles:
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information.  And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests. 

That part is big.

Sure is.
Agreed.
11/27 12:41 PM | IP: Logged

    I have always disliked the SEC because of the fans.Historically, we had asked them to let us in only to be turned down.Some think we were extended an invitation at the same time we joined the ACC-not true.After last weekend,I am ready to go.I think we will do very well but I don't care.I am so sick of hearing SEC I am ready to get in the SEC and whip arss.

11/27 12:43 PM | IP: Logged
I will take any conference other than the ACC. I would love to play Georgia every year and beat the stuffing out of them regularly.
11/27 12:44 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by ChopHouse:

goldmom nailed it.



Glad I'm nailing something. At my age, there ain't much else.
11/27 12:44 PM | IP: Logged
I'll take either the Big 12 or SEC.  We will be much better off either way.  Personally, I think we fight the exit fee, offer $25M and say if you want the rest, you can take us to federal court.  I'm sure the lawyer fees would add up quickly and the ACC will take what we give them.  
11/27 12:44 PM | IP: Logged
Join the SEC and our stadium expands to over 100k (and sold out all the time) by 2016;  join the Big 12 and it goes to 87k and sold out a lot--but not a lot.  Stay in the ACC and we start doing the Miami tarps at games......
11/27 12:45 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by = Ice Man =:
If I'm FSU, I start working the phones to get the SEC Presidents on board with an FSU offer. 

The problem FSU has is there are more programs that would vote "no" than just Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina.  A&M would likely be a "no" as well, b/c I know for certain they don't ever want Texas to be let in.  And, I can't imagine that Tennessee, Vandy, or Kentucky would be all that enthusiastic about adding another team that will beat them down annually.  I would think there'd be a lot more support for teams like VA Tech, UNC, and NC State for the simple fact that (a) they don't encroach on anyone's territory, and (b) none of those 3 are world beaters.  That East Division would be brutal with Florida State, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee if they ever get their act together. 




Ice - Why would us joining have an affect on Texas?

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11/27 12:46 PM | IP: Logged
Ice , I agree but the west is already brutal. Adding FSU to the east would only make it comparable to the west. And if they add nc state, I can promise you that SEC FANS will not travel there. SEC FANS are accustomed to high profile games and not having to travel very far. I know that no one from Louisiana would travel there and when they ame here, tickets would be easy and it wouldn't be a sellout.
11/27 12:46 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by The WarNole:






Originally posted by tano01:

I'd prefer the Big 12 because I'm in Big 12 country and it would be way more beneficial for me

However, I think it the SEC is a better fit and where we should be, but I would take the Big 12 any day of the week.  Just get the heck out and into a conference that is about football.

Please oh please.






Agree with this sentiment 100%. Hopefully it comes to fruition.



This position should be the motivating and driving force within all those individuals in FSU leadership roles who are involved in this matter....jmho



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11/27 12:48 PM | IP: Logged

How do you figure if FSU and GT went to the SEC, we would be in the East. It doesn't make sense, it would make more sense if we went into the west and GT went to the East. IJS
11/27 12:49 PM | IP: Logged
Ice, do you believe deep down in your heart that FSU is working the phones to get into the SEC right now? Or do you even believe they will ever?
11/27 12:50 PM | IP: Logged

I would love to see us in the SEC as it would help get this program be a top 10 program year in, year out. Because it makes sense both for us and the SEC, it probably will not happen.
11/27 12:51 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by goldmom:



Originally posted by Noiler:
Why would Bama want to add FSU to the SEC? 

Everything seems to point to the ACC crumbling, the BIG 10 reaching out east, and the BIG 12 grabbing FSU and Clemson. I can't say the BIG 12 is all that exciting but it sure beats the dumpster fire that is the ACC.





My hunch is that Bama would take a look at FSU and have to think that it's entry into the SEC-East along with our recruiting strength against UGA and uf would make it likely that we would take top recruits they might get, thinning out the pool among the three of us and making their path clearer to take the SEC crown on a regular basis.  It weakens those two schools in their eyes on an overall basis and makes us more likely to vote with Bama on conference issues.

We've never had bad relations with Tuscaloosa, going back to the days of Coach Pete and Vaughn Mancha, a legendary AD at FSU and a former Alabama All-American.  Just a smidge of history there, but those folks are hide bound when it comes to tradition. 

Of course, this is all speculation as to why on my part.  If anyone pooh-poohs it with other factoids I've not considered, no skin off my nose.
Bama-FSU athletic connection is strong. Hootie Ingram, Dave Hart, Mickey Andrews...

Bama obviously holds a lot of water in the SEC, and was instrumental in getting Texas A&M in. They will be able to rally a lot of votes. Plus, I think that the Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee schools might like uf to have another conference foe in-state to diminish their clout, just like all of them have.
11/27 12:52 PM | IP: Logged

What are people's thoughts on the $50 million exit fee and how big of an impediment it will be?  Swofford and company pushed that through as they were peeing down their legs over Notre Dame coming in as a non-football member.  If the ACC loses more members in addition to UMD, could it be argued that the fee should not fully apply because the situation has changed?
11/27 12:53 PM | IP: Logged
Like I said in a post last week, It is time for us to swallow our pride and let the SEC know that we want in. Put the ball in their court and let them know we are leaving the ACC and they are our 1st choice. If they say no, tell the Big 12 we want in. The Big 12 wants its footprint in Florida. 
11/27 12:54 PM | IP: Logged

all the naysayers on here that have been saying that FSU isnt going anywhere, that we should embrace the ACC are the same ones that still believe and hope that notre dame will join as a football member


like one poster stated already......some television networks are looking at MATCHUPS not new markets.... FSU vs any SEC team on any given saturday would produce very high ratings, thus we are very valuable to the SEC
11/27 12:55 PM | IP: Logged
I would prefer to see us in the SEC
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Originally posted by ed42222:

How do you figure if FSU and GT went to the SEC, we would be in the East. It doesn't make sense, it would make more sense if we went into the west and GT went to the East. IJS



FSU and GT in the East brings scheduling balance. Keeps Mizzou in the west. Plus, Bama keeps Tenn, Auburn keeps UGA, UF keeps LSU etc. I would imagine we would pick up TAMU as out cross divisional game.

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Im Hearing Big Ten likes UVA?????
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Change will come soon from what i just heard.  All hands are on deck!
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Originally posted by ed42222:

How do you figure if FSU and GT went to the SEC, we would be in the East. It doesn't make sense, it would make more sense if we went into the west and GT went to the East. IJS



I believe us to the East would make more sense because you move Mizzou to the west.

East
FSU
UGA
UF
USC
Uk
GT
Vandy
Tenn

WEST
Bama
Auburn
Miss St
Ol Miss
LSU
Arky
Texas AM
Mizzou

Thats a pretty amazing conference, i don't think any amount of realignment could exceed the viewers of this proposed conference.
11/27 1:00 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by NoleAPath:

Can someone please tell me how Swofford keeps his job? It appears he's the Captain of the Titanic and is prepared to go down with the ship/ACC. I'm at a loss to explain it.


Hahaha

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Posted on 11/27 1:00 PM | IP: Logged

big12 or sec I dont give a damn just grt out of the ACC

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Originally posted by goldmom:



Originally posted by ChopHouse:

goldmom nailed it.



Glad I'm nailing something. At my age, there ain't much else.
I'll admit it.. I LOL'd.
 
11/27 1:01 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Jverkon:
Join the SEC and our stadium expands to over 100k (and sold out all the time) by 2016;  join the Big 12 and it goes to 87k and sold out a lot--but not a lot.  Stay in the ACC and we start doing the Miami tarps at games......



 
11/27 1:02 PM | IP: Logged
Is it just me or is it "Club" Level folks throwing the most spears/postings?
11/27 1:02 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:
And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.

I understand you are passionate about this stuff but throwing me under the bus won't help. If this was just my opinion it would be in a column and you know that. And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch. 

Just passing along stuff I've heard.  You and others know we don't throw around this conference stuff very often and I wouldn't do it on a whim or just to drum up business.


No he's not.  Not sure if you've kept up with his posts.  You should not have written this piece before consulting him.  Didnt you know we don't have enough votes?  Duh.

Sarcasm aside, excellent, excellent piece Dot.  I know how difficult to get this kind of information, but that's what we pay for.  My office is buzzing something crazy after this posted.
11/27 1:02 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Fun Guy:
Change will come soon from what i just heard.  All hands are on deck!
I never use "sources" in my posts, only conjecture on what I believe about what I read.

But the one that I do have in FSU's upper athletic tier has also said there is a meeting today. All hands on deck!
11/27 1:04 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:


Originally posted by AllNoles:
It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands.  And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things.  I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.
Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information.  And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests. 

<<INSERT DANCING BANANA>>


THANK GOD!!
11/27 1:05 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by smoothrider20:

Originally posted by ed42222:

How do you figure if FSU and GT went to the SEC, we would be in the East. It doesn't make sense, it would make more sense if we went into the west and GT went to the East. IJS



FSU and GT in the East brings scheduling balance. Keeps Mizzou in the west. Plus, Bama keeps Tenn, Auburn keeps UGA, UF keeps LSU etc. I would imagine we would pick up TAMU as out cross divisional game.


Plus if we were in the East as Florida, that game potentially mean everything. SEC, NC, bragging rights. I say east.

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Originally posted by smoothrider20:




Originally posted by = Ice Man =:
If I'm FSU, I start working the phones to get the SEC Presidents on board with an FSU offer. 

The problem FSU has is there are more programs that would vote "no" than just Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina.  A&M would likely be a "no" as well, b/c I know for certain they don't ever want Texas to be let in.  And, I can't imagine that Tennessee, Vandy, or Kentucky would be all that enthusiastic about adding another team that will beat them down annually.  I would think there'd be a lot more support for teams like VA Tech, UNC, and NC State for the simple fact that (a) they don't encroach on anyone's territory, and (b) none of those 3 are world beaters.  That East Division would be brutal with Florida State, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee if they ever get their act together. 






Ice - Why would us joining have an affect on Texas?

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Obviously I'm not Ice, but what I think he was getting at is "do for me as I do for you", UF says to A&M, if you don't want the possibility of Texas in this conference later, you best vote against FSU on joining now.
11/27 1:14 PM | IP: Logged
Good Stuff. The sooner the ACC sinks the better.
11/27 1:16 PM | IP: Logged


I just wanted to post this thread and confirm that Matt was the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll and he also helped plan 9/11.

Why do you hate America Borasch??
11/27 1:16 PM | IP: Logged
Texas would not go to the SEC, and I would think that ICE knows that.
11/27 1:17 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by noleclone:

1) Folks let's not hijack this into a personal pissing contest.  Truth is nobody knows what is going to happen and it should actually be fun to speculate.  It's a freakin message board folks. 

2) My speculation:  Though FSU and the SEC are the best and by far the most natural fit, the way in to the SEC is going to take too long and be too risky for FSU to turn down an offer from the Big 12.  And the Big 12 and FSU are both getting antsy.  As the ACC collapses, FSU needs to join a big boy football conference and the Big 12 knows it could really use  another big name athletic program.  As the rumors of Ga Tech and FSU to SEC fly, I think you may see the Big 12 call very soon.  And again, I do not think FSU says "no thanks, we are waiting on the SEC to invite us" should this happen.
Pretty much agree with everything here.

I want the SEC. I want big games against Bama, Tennessee, USCjr, UGA, LSU, etc. How much freaking fun would that be?
The SEC already knows that the Big 12 will be looking to make a move and FSU will be antsy to GTFO of the ACC. They have binders full of people smarter than Borasch looking at this and are prepared to act if necessary to prevent FSU from latching on to an immediate B12 invite.

The votes may have been against FSU BEFORE Mizzou andaTm were added. Now that there are 14 teams, uga, uscjr and uf votes have been diluted as a percentage to block additions to teh conference.

This post was edited on 11/27 1:25 PM by rob90

11/27 1:18 PM | IP: Logged
Any thoughts on what would happen if ND joins as a full member?  If they pull that trigger, it could get real interesting!
11/27 1:18 PM | IP: Logged
Posted by Dot Com:

"Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information.  And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests." 

That's really good news.  If the administration is not thinking about the ramifications of the sinking ACC ship, then they better hope their fiduciary insurance is in good standing.  (I'm assuming the BOT is held to at least the same standards as a corporate BOD.  Seems to me that doing nothing as the ACC ship sinks could be constured as negligence).

PS  I'm an accountant, not a lawyer
11/27 1:20 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Fun Guy:
Change will come soon from what i just heard.  All hands are on deck!


Awesome.

Come on.  What else ya got?
11/27 1:21 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:



Originally posted by smoothrider20:




Originally posted by = Ice Man =:
If I'm FSU, I start working the phones to get the SEC Presidents on board with an FSU offer. 

The problem FSU has is there are more programs that would vote "no" than just Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina.  A&M would likely be a "no" as well, b/c I know for certain they don't ever want Texas to be let in.  And, I can't imagine that Tennessee, Vandy, or Kentucky would be all that enthusiastic about adding another team that will beat them down annually.  I would think there'd be a lot more support for teams like VA Tech, UNC, and NC State for the simple fact that (a) they don't encroach on anyone's territory, and (b) none of those 3 are world beaters.  That East Division would be brutal with Florida State, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee if they ever get their act together. 






Ice - Why would us joining have an affect on Texas?

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Obviously I'm not Ice, but what I think he was getting at is "do for me as I do for you", UF says to A&M, if you don't want the possibility of Texas in this conference later, you best vote against FSU on joining now.

I have a little different take, being part Aggie (Ph.D.).

aTm is pretty indebted to Bama for making their move happen. Aggies also see Texas as pretty pot-committed to the LHN and the Big 12's future. aTm knows this is about matchups and ensuring the longevity of the SEC, and therefore, I'd be willing to bet that Loftin (aTm's president) would vote yes for FSU if the vote happened today.

In some ways, I think that aTm would love to get Texas in the SEC eventually...the "old school" identity of Aggies is really tied to the Texas rivalry, so getting Texas in the fold AND playing in the SEC might be the best of both worlds for them.
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Originally posted by elrod94:

Ice , I agree but the west is already brutal. Adding FSU to the east would only make it comparable to the west. And if they add nc state, I can promise you that SEC FANS will not travel there. SEC FANS are accustomed to high profile games and not having to travel very far. I know that no one from Louisiana would travel there and when they ame here, tickets would be easy and it wouldn't be a sellout.
I don't think the West is brutal by any means.  They have a very strong Alabama & LSU, inconsistent Auburn & Arkansas, Ole Miss & Miss State that are mediocre (despite MSU's trumped up record), and an A&M team that is having their 3rd good season in 15 years.  The East would be much more top heavy than the West if FSU joins, as Missouri would move to the West.

I imagine LSU fans wouldn't travel in droves to Raleigh when they play at NC State once every 14 years (or however many it is).  But, SEC fans already don't travel to most of the away games against middle of the road teams.  That's why Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Missouri, Kentucky, and Arkansas don't have elite attendance numbers.  I would imagine though, there are a lot of SEC grads living in Charlotte.  I know I do a ton of business in Charlotte with SEC fans from Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee.  As far as my SEC client base goes, they seem to live in Atlanta #1, Birmingham #2, Charlotte #3, Nashville #4, and Jacksonville #5.  That's just what I see from my end.

11/27 1:22 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolemanb:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.
Because it was fact, from last time. We didn't have the votes. If we would have....we would have been in the SEC. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Going forward...i doubt we get these votes but who knows how this will all play out. I don't think we'll ever go to the SEC. I think we have a stronger possibility of going to the Big 12 (which in and of itself is a long shot). Again, th against personally what i want, which is to go to the SEC.

One thing to consider....how will the new Big 12/SEC alliance play out? You know the TV networks are going to have their say. And if anyone is going to get what they want...it's the television networks. I don't think after making this rosy marriage to play each other as conference champions, they're going to publicly battle it out over a few ACC schools. I think each of them will consult with ESPN/Fox/NBC, they'll consult with the schools they're interested in and each other, and then make offers from there. If anything.
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I dont know how people within FSU didn't see this coming. For years we have been seeing Swofford continue to add mediocre football talent and really good basketball programs. I dont know for sure but how do you not have a plan A and B in place if things keep going the way they have been going? I mean Maryland will make 100 million more according to some reports. Even if its half that, its a ridiculous number and we can't afford to be that far behind.

I am a huge fan and I volunteer my time to help the University but its hard to spend money to go see Duke, Wake, NC State, etc. play in Doak.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by nolemanb:

Originally posted by moz9:
You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want.  If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him.  But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights.  This is June or July all over again.  Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens. 

I'll just sit back and watch--again. 
I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.
Because it was fact, from last time. We didn't have the votes. If we would have....we would have been in the SEC. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Going forward...i doubt we get these votes but who knows how this will all play out. I don't think we'll ever go to the SEC. I think we have a stronger possibility of going to the Big 12 (which in and of itself is a long shot). Again, th against personally what i want, which is to go to the SEC.

One thing to consider....how will the new Big 12/SEC alliance play out? You know the TV networks are going to have their say. And if anyone is going to get what they want...it's the television networks. I don't think after making this rosy marriage to play each other as conference champions, they're going to publicly battle it out over a few ACC schools. I think each of them will consult with ESPN/Fox/NBC, they'll consult with the schools they're interested in and each other, and then make offers from there. If anything.

Are you talking about the early 90's or some secret vote that happened more recently?
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Originally posted by elrod94:

Ice, do you believe deep down in your heart that FSU is working the phones to get into the SEC right now? Or do you even believe they will ever?
That's a tough one to answer.  There is no question Eric Barron loves being in the ACC.  He's an academic, not a sports guy.  So, he thinks academics 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.  Their leadership has also shown to be unwilling to be proactive.  However, at the same time, they did vote against the raised exit fee AND said "no" to a GOR.  You'd like to believe with so much uncertainty in the ACC, and with most expecting the Big Ten to strike again, FSU would be making calls to find a landing spot if necessary.  But, I don't have any knowledge such calls have taken place.  I'm not all knowing though, so anything's possible.  One thing I feel fairly certain in is that FSU is not actively pursuing leaving the ACC.  I think they're the kid at the edge of the high-dive, looking over, waiting until the pressure is at its apex before being forced to jump.  JMO.

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The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program.  Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.  
11/27 1:32 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:

Are you talking about the early 90's or some secret vote that happened more recently?
Before A&M and Missouri were added. It didn't make it to an official vote because it wouldn't made it. Kind of like how a conference wouldn't make an offer if they knew the other team wouldn't accept.
11/27 1:34 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:

Are you talking about the early 90's or some secret vote that happened more recently?
Before A&M and Missouri were added. It didn't make it to an official vote because it wouldn't made it. Kind of like how a conference wouldn't make an offer if they knew the other team wouldn't accept.
Thanks for the info.
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