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Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?
If we went to the SEC and started losing more then Jimbo would be gone.

It's not a hard concept.
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If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
11/27 2:51 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by noleclone:

1) Folks let's not hijack this into a personal pissing contest.  Truth is nobody knows what is going to happen and it should actually be fun to speculate.  It's a freakin message board folks. 

2) My speculation:  Though FSU and the SEC are the best and by far the most natural fit, the way in to the SEC is going to take too long and be too risky for FSU to turn down an offer from the Big 12.  And the Big 12 and FSU are both getting antsy.  As the ACC collapses, FSU needs to join a big boy football conference and the Big 12 knows it could really use  another big name athletic program.  As the rumors of Ga Tech and FSU to SEC fly, I think you may see the Big 12 call very soon.  And again, I do not think FSU says "no thanks, we are waiting on the SEC to invite us" should this happen.


Pretty much agree with everything here.

I want the SEC. I want big games against Bama, Tennessee, USCjr, UGA, LSU, etc. How much freaking fun would that be?


I think it would be great to play those guys year to year, but I can already hear the butt hurt about how bad we suck ringing through my ears.  It'll happen, we'll lose two games and then it will be chaos about how whoever is coaching sucks and we should've stayed in the ACC, blah, blah, blah.

It is only good when everything works out absolutely perfect.
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Originally posted by rob90:
Borasch...you talk alot about votes. Are you telling us that you KNOW what the votes were in the SEC regarding FSU? 

How would you know if the vote was never cast?

Enlighten us with your wisdom as to what SEC schools were in favor of FSU and those who weren't.

The problem with coming on a message board acting like  a know it all, is that people are going to call you out on it, and if you dont back up your talk you just look like a message board playstation all american that talks a bunch of ish.



Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

What say you?  

This post was edited on 11/27 2:54 PM by whomp1111

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kshall2 posted on 11/27/2012...

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.



I live in Louisiana and I would definitely go to more home and away games
11/27 2:55 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
11/27 2:56 PM | IP: Logged

I wish someone would define what they mean when they say "our leadership is engaged on this issue."


Does that mean that they are regularly talking to Swofford and attempting to rescue the ACC? 
Does it mean we are calling SEC schools and attempting to negotiate our way in to the conference?
Or does it mean that they are refreshing Warchant every 5 minutes?

Obviously, none of us know the true answer.
But given Barron's few public statements on realignment (as well as his email response last summer), he has shown himself to be (generously speaking) less than knowledgeable and in some cases, downright insulting (when he called out the Big 12 academic reputation.)  Even more recently, he was quoted as saying that he doesn't understand all this realignment.  

Hardly inspiring, to say the least.

So for those of us who are unhappy with the ACC, those types of public responses don't give us a lot of faith that he is "actively engaged" on this issue.  

11/27 2:57 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SeminoleDundee:

So is Texas willing to go to, or revise Big 12 economics to, share revenue equitably?

I don't see them doing this, so a move to the SEC seems unlikely because Alabama, LSU and most others are not going to go for something like TLN, allowing them an advantage.


What are you talking about?  The Big XII already has equal revenue sharing.  Every program gets the same amount of $$$ from the conference for TV.  The Big XII's network partners (ABC/ESPN & Fox/FSN) however, do not buy all of the Big XII's football, basketball, baseball, etc inventory.  Any inventory that is not purchased by the networks defaults to the home team.  This is the EXACT SAME setup as the SEC has.  If there's extra inventory, each team is free to sell it.  Texas makes $15M/yr (avg) on theirs.  Oklahoma makes over $8M/yr.  Kansas is over $6M, et al. 

Slive came out last year and said there'd be no issues with the Longhorn Network in the SEC during their courtship of Texas.  They already allow for Tier 3 distribution, and members are allowed to own or be broadcast on branded networks.  Missouri, for instance, owns their Tier 3 network, which broadcasts inventory that isn't picked up by CBS/ESPN.  They had the same exact set up in the Big XII.  Florida has their own Tier 3 deal.  Alabama has theirs.  Georgia has theirs.  The difference between the Big XII and SEC is the SEC doesn't have guaranteed leftover inventory, while the Big XII does.  That allows the Big XII teams to land larger contracts, b/c they know the minimum inventory available for Tier 3 distribution. 

11/27 2:59 PM | IP: Logged
I believe teams play to the competition.... Prime example, I don't believe Florida is a great team or any better than FSU, however, they play up to the SEC competition and appears to play down to the smaller schools (BG, Jax State, and LA-Lafayette).    FSU problem is we only get to play "UP" once maybe twice a year.  And when it's time to play "UP" or "BIG BOY FOOTBALL", we act like we've never been there.  That is where the SEC would be a huge benefit for FSU, IMO....  Weekly "UP" games that would mean something.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
I think most Nole fans would like to travel to SEC venues, even though I am like you and travel to those ACC cities.  As a mater of fact, I would love to go to every SEC venue(except for Starkville) over nearly every ACC school. 
11/27 3:04 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
For the Smithsonian and the Freedom Trail in April or May? Absolutely.

On a fall Saturday? To each his own, but gimme Columbia, SC for a big ball game all day long.

Starkville probably does suck, but I'll take it over Syracuse. At least it'll be warm(er).

Not to mention Athens, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, Knoxville, College Station, Oxford, Nashville...
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Bama should threaten to go to the ACC if the rest of the schools block FSU to the SEC!!! 

I don't understand uf's opposition...  FSU is going to recruit well either way, and they have to play us every year anyways... if we're in their division they can then schedule a cupcake opponent to replace us and make their schedule a little easier.  Also while uf/uga is a big rivalry, you would think uf gets sick of having the biggest rivalry game in the SEC be Bama/Aub(it's not usually a blowout like this year)... and then uf would be able to boast about having the uf/FSU rivalry to match that and the uf/uga rivalry to match Bama/LSU....

11/27 3:07 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.
Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.
I think most Nole fans would like to travel to SEC venues, even though I am like you and travel to those ACC cities.  As a mater of fact, I would love to go to every SEC venue(except for Starkville) over nearly every ACC school. 

Yea i think we'll travel well, no doubt. But saying the ACC didn't have good away trips...i don't get that. At all. Atlanta. DC. Boston. Miami. The biggest and best cities in the Nation.

I've been to most SEC venues and would definitely go to LSU, Tennessee, UGA (please GOD...i love Athens), Ole Miss (never been there), Vandy (Nashville) and maybe Auburn again (but only because of the game atmosphere). Yes please.

USCjr, MSU, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri...even Texas A&M outside of the first trip. No thanks.

Sorry....forgot to include Bama. I want to go there as well, never been to a game in Tuscaloosa.

This post was edited on 11/27 3:21 PM by 71/BORASCH/06

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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by kshall2:

If we moved to the SEC I would for sure go to more road games! Schools should consider that aspect of adding FSU. Right now i don't have much care to go to road games. You send us to Aurburn, AL, LSU, Columbus, Ole Miss, hell even the worst team is in Nashville how much more fun would that be, than the road games we have.


Dude...what?

I'll take Boston and DC over Starkville and Columbia anyday of the week.


What ACC team is in DC area?
11/27 3:12 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot:

I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests. 

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________

This IMHO is the most significant statement in this entire thread and on this subject.  This would indicate that some of those decision makers at FSU have finally taken their heads out of the sand, looked around and discovered just maybe they better investigate what all the hubbub is about.  A little late maybe but now that everyone is at least considering the options this is huge.  We know our egghead president prefers the ACC but maybe he finally realizes his own arse may be in jeopardy if he doesn't make the right moves here.
11/27 3:16 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Of course Whompster! Anything for you bud.

It's this simple...

NBC has said they wanted to expand their college football coverage. Why get only ND...when you get could part of an entire conference which included 2 ratings monsters, FSU and Miami? And then have Clemson as well? ND would get more than $15 million per year (what they get now) from the ACC's new NBC/Fox/ESPN/whoever contract. They need to fill their schedule. They're already in for other sports. Their only drawback is not getting 100% of their bowl money, but i think they would make that up in other ways.  Not to mention ND is already going to get better bowls for the ACC with the 5 games per year contract they have now.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

That's why dude!
11/27 3:17 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by noleclone:

What ACC team is in DC area?
Well it was Maryland. We just had our last trip there though.
11/27 3:19 PM | IP: Logged

So your down to ATL, Boston, Miami.

ATL - we could still go there if Ga Tech Goes with us. Or go for the SEC champ or chick or peach bowl.
Boston- thats a fun place cant argue there.
Miami- Just plane sucks, that place stinks and not a good stink like New Orleans.

I'm talking Saturday Game day atmosphere SEC road games would be way better.
11/27 3:25 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by noleclone:

What ACC team is in DC area?


Well it was Maryland. We just had our last trip there though.


Eggzactly.  And BC being on the B1G want list would not suprise me either. 
11/27 3:25 PM | IP: Logged
I imagine a 16 team SEC would have to include a 9 game conf schedule, this could be a factor in a possible vote. I don't buy the pod system and can't see a 16 team conf with 8 conference games. This is something the sec must figure out.
11/27 3:31 PM | IP: Logged
Stupid analogy.
11/27 3:36 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Of course Whompster! Anything for you bud.

It's this simple...

NBC has said they wanted to expand their college football coverage. Why get only ND...when you get could part of an entire conference which included 2 ratings monsters, FSU and Miami? And then have Clemson as well? ND would get more than $15 million per year (what they get now) from the ACC's new NBC/Fox/ESPN/whoever contract. They need to fill their schedule. They're already in for other sports. Their only drawback is not getting 100% of their bowl money, but i think they would make that up in other ways.  Not to mention ND is already going to get better bowls for the ACC with the 5 games per year contract they have now.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

That's why dude!
I don;t think your logic is sound.

NBC may have said that, but that is not the same as them saying they won't deal with just ND.  Heck, if they want to pony up the money, they can have ND and others.  However, that's not an option for quite a while given the leagues all have long contracts in place.  To that end, your analysis ignores that the ACC can't just deal with NBC; it has a (crappy) 12 year deal with ESPN/Raycom.

You're also mixing apples with orangges.  ND makes 15M under a contract that's years old and was signed when 15M was a lot of money.  ND dealing alone with ND will get FAR more than the 17M average (another logical miss, in that we won't make 17M for a number of years in the ACC).  If you are actually arguing that ND makes more money as part of the ACC than it does on its own, you lose all credibility.  ND has to make the decision to join the ACC even though it will lose money.  There's no other reasonable way to look at it.
11/27 3:40 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by kshall2:

So your down to ATL, Boston, Miami.

ATL - we could still go there if Ga Tech Goes with us. Or go for the SEC champ or chick or peach bowl.
Boston- thats a fun place cant argue there.
Miami- Just plane sucks, that place stinks and not a good stink like New Orleans.

I'm talking Saturday Game day atmosphere SEC road games would be way better.
I don't know why you're arguing...i want to go to the SEC...

But to say the ACC didn't have some great away trips was incorrect. There are/were some great ones.
11/27 3:43 PM | IP: Logged

Some of the ACC trips were great, the opponents not so much.
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And then there's this from UNC's AD..."non-denial" denial on leaving the ACC....read carefully..

Link: UNC AD's email to Tar Heel Supporters11/27 3:45 PM | IP: Logged
Currently we'll play Ga Tech in Atlanta like once every 8 or so years. Hardly even worth considering. We'll likely play Miami regardless.

Sooooooo... there's Boston...
11/27 3:48 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by samdingo:
Currently we'll play Ga Tech in Atlanta like once every 8 or so years. Hardly even worth considering. We'll likely play Miami regardless.

Sooooooo... there's Boston...
Read my previous post.
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Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?



So if we move to the SEC, will you change your screen name to alwaysmediocrefsu? 

If we are no better then an 8-4 team in the SEC, then shouldn't we be firing our coaches and hiring somebody else?  I mean, if we can't do better then 8-4 in the SEC, that means even if we go undefeated through the ACC we still won't be good enough to win a national title because we can't beat UF and we can't beat the teams we would play in the playoff. 

Soooo, doesn't that mean it would be bad for FSU to stay in the ACC and keep going 10-2 or 11-1 because we would never win a title, but we would never be bad enough to justify firing our HC?  And therefore, wouldn't FSU be better off moving to the SEC, going 8-4 a few years, firing our HC, then having the SEC money to hire a new HC who can put FSU in the national title picture?

You see, no matter how you frame your argument, the better choice for FSU is to move to the SEC.  You say we would lose more games as though that means we shouldn't do it, but really that proves the point that we should do it.  Because otherwise we are stuck with what you characterized as poor coaching and we will never be good enough to win a title. 
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if we went to th b12, we would be number 11-who would be the number 12?
11/27 4:01 PM | IP: Logged

It is very telling about the standing of the ACC when UConn and Louisville are our best options at replacing Maryland.  If the Big Ten nabs Georgia Tech and Boston College, we'll really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for replacements.  It is time to bail out of this lame basketball conference.

FSU needs to petition the SEC for membership.  The Big 12 would be the backup plan.  The handwriting is on the wall concerning the ACC's relevance on the national football stage.  If we stay in the ACC, we'll be sucked down to their level eventually.  Bowden's Lost Decade is proof that mediocrity is a real possibility if we linger in this conference.

The only way we can stay in the ACC is if the conference changes the equal revenue sharing rule.  If these basketball schools don't want to invest in their football programs, they shouldn't reap the financial rewards brought to the conference by the football schools who do invest in football.  If FSU stays in the ACC, we must demand that all post season revenues are kept by the school that earned it.  They can split network dollars equally among schools for regular season games, but bowl games are a reward for schools who invest in football and earn a bowl game.  If Duke wants to invest in basketball instead of football, fine, but they don't get FSU's bowl money.  Let every sport keep post season money earned, because they deserve it.  If we can make the playoffs, we keep the money.  If Duke wants bowl money, let them invest in their football program.

I'd rather go to the SEC or Big 12, but something has got to be done for us to generate enough revenue to keep up with that "little school down the road." 
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Calm down Ice.

Didn't realize the specifics of the TV deal out there.

My apologies for trying to educate my self.
11/27 4:11 PM | IP: Logged

My guess is if we end up in the Big 12, the LHN would possibly be a partner for us and our third tier rights.
LHN needs additional programming and we would be a great add.

Name change

Long Nole Network

LNN

11/27 4:31 PM | IP: Logged

WOW that is GREAT news.......
I never was against leaving unless wanted.....

If FSU can get into the SEC then that is the best move......
But the Big12 would still leave us with playing Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State (which isn't that good all the time)......
And it will be in the snow as well as the championship game......

I will still say as the years go on and Miami rises up they will love just having to fight Virginia Tech for the ACC.......
But it feels good to be wanted....
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"But the Big12 would still leave us with playing Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State (which isn't that good all the time)......
And it will be in the snow as well as the championship game......

I will still say as the years go on and Miami rises up they will love just having to fight Virginia Tech for the ACC.......
But it feels good to be wanted...."

Iowa State and Kansas are comparable to GA Tech and Clemson. All four schools finish in the top 15 on occasion and nothing more. Miami is done, they don't have the money and therefore are not willing to spend the money on facilities or coaches. 

Va Tech is the second best program in the ACC and probably could be compared to Kansas State.

I could care less if who we join as long as we get out of the ACC and into the Big 12, SEC , Big 10 or even the PAC 10 at this point.



 
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We need to try like hell to get in the SEC, but the Big 12 would be a great 2nd option.
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Mark Schlabach made a comment on the experts today.  He said he thinks Jimbo Fisher is going to Tennessee.  The reasons he named were the close association Jimmy Sexton has with Tennessee and Jimbo's association with Dave Hart.  He said Jimbo is not happy with FSU's affiliation with the ACC.  Schlabach said Jimbo thinks the conference is holding back FSU's football program and the administration is not doing anything to affect a change either in improving the conference or looking elsewhere. 
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Originally posted by Dot Com:


And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch. 


on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion.  He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by NoleNewsIsGoodNews:
What a shock Mr Know it All Borasch talking out of his ass like he is Mr Expansion when for the last 2 years he has been continually wrong...dude just shut up for once because you know nothing more than all but a few at this point..while I appreciate your passion for FSU your constant pompousness is a real drag


What have i been wrong about? I said:


  • we wouldn't go to the Big 12 last year...we didn't
  • we wouldn't go to the SEC last year...we didn't
  • we would get Notre Dame...we did

Looks like i've been right, as it pertains to us, so far.


And i'm sorry my "constant pompousness" is a real drag, but i'm one of the few bringing reality and common sense into the discussion. Sorry brah




We did not get Notre Dame,  not until they become full member,  and I am not holding my breath on that.
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I call b/s on that sorry statement of Jimbo going to Tenn.
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I find a few contradictions, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't get the whole Big 10 looking at TV markets.  If the DC market and NY/NJ markets were so great why didn't the ACC and Big East get a better return?  If the Atlanta market is so hot because of Ga Tech, why isn't the ACC getting a better return.  The Big 10 Network is already on most cable stations in Florida, including Comcast.  I get it.  A friend in DC already gets the Big 10 Network, so what's the advantage of adding Maryland?  Obviously the footprint didn't help the ACC contract, and Rutgers is hardly a draw in NY.  Most on here ridiculed Swofford for going after the northeast markets.  Is Maryland all of a sudden going to bring extra dollars to the Big 10 Network even though its already available in that market.  I don't know about the Atlanta area, but if Florida Comcast offers it, Atlanta must be able to get it also.   Same thing with the SEC Network.  No doubt it will be on cable systems in North Carolina regardless of whether or not Duke and NC are in the conference so again, the whole footprint thing doesn't make sense. 

Can anybody confrim first hand that UF has blocked our move to the SEC?  First hand, not he said she said.  We are all part of the same university system with the same state board of regents, and I would imagine the presidents have social outings.  Just wondering what they would talk about if UF was adamant in keeping us out of the SEC.  Not logical to me.

Why is the Big 12 so enticing after four teams left it just a year ago?  Are their problems solved?  Not that I'm a big proponent of staying in the ACC, but there are problems in the Big 12 that need to be dealt with.

Personally, I don't think anybody on any of these sites knows what's going on behind the scenes, but hopefully it works out for FSU.

There's more questions, but just looking for some logical answers to these. 



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Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion.  He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

But i've been right as it pertains to FSU. So of course you're going to be upset.

And Gene and myself are good. Don't you worry.
11/27 7:23 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion.  He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

But i've been right as it pertains to FSU. So of course you're going to be upset.

And Gene and myself are good. Don't you worry.


You're wrong

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Posted on 11/27 7:45 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by DanC78:

You're wrong
About what Dan?

Anxiously awaiting your response!
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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion.  He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

But i've been right as it pertains to FSU. So of course you're going to be upset.

And Gene and myself are good. Don't you worry.
I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC.  Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

And why would I be upset if you were correct?  I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position.  I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.  That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion.  It's a good idea.
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Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?
11/27 7:53 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by elrod94:
Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?
Haven't seen them. What did he say?
11/27 7:57 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by elrod94:
Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?
I posted this in another thread, but that would be insane on both of their parts.  

UT would have to pay $5M for Dooley leaving, $5M to FSU for the buyout, and however much it took to make it worthwhile for Jimbo to leave.  That's quite a bit of money for a coach with 3 years experience and not very many accomplishments outside of recruiting.
11/27 7:58 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by elrod94:
Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?
Haven't seen them. What did he say?
said he believes jinmbo goes to tennessee bc jimbo does not want to be in ACC and the ACC is hurting FSU's football brand and the administration isnt doing anything to get FSU out of ACC
11/27 8:01 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct?  I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position.  I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion.  It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC.  Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

So i don't even get credit for them joining the conference in every other sport and 5 games in football? Now you're just being technical. I was one of the only ones that said it would happen. And it did.

And i agree. I don't think you should talk to people like they're idiots either.
11/27 8:01 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by elrod94:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by elrod94:
Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?
Haven't seen them. What did he say?
said he believes jinmbo goes to tennessee bc jimbo does not want to be in ACC and the ACC is hurting FSU's football brand and the administration isnt doing anything to get FSU out of ACC
Oh boy. We're doomed. What do i do with my Jimbo signed football?!??

Seriously though....i don't want to lose Jimbo, but it would be silly for him to leave for a dumpster fire program and basically start over again with his 5 year plan, at a place where if he doesn't win quick enough, they will fire him faster that we would here.

I have no idea if he leaves or not, but i'm not really worried about what ole Mark says. This was the same Mark at ESPN that claimed we were headed to the SEC last year.
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