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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:
While we do get our share of top recruits, there are at least a handful we miss out on because of our conference. Kids make their decisions based on many factors...proximity to home, playing time, AND conference to name a few. Just saying that it can only get better if we affiliate with a stronger conference. No one can argue with that.
This is simply NOT TRUE. We DO NOT lose out on recruits for being in the ACC.

Gene himself will back me up on this.
You are probably a smart guy, but not as smart as you think you are. I KNOW for a fact a couple of 4*+ recruits that liked FSU but went somewhere else because they wanted to play in the SEC.
11/27 8:06 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Deerfuel2:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:
While we do get our share of top recruits, there are at least a handful we miss out on because of our conference. Kids make their decisions based on many factors...proximity to home, playing time, AND conference to name a few. Just saying that it can only get better if we affiliate with a stronger conference. No one can argue with that.
This is simply NOT TRUE. We DO NOT lose out on recruits for being in the ACC.

Gene himself will back me up on this.
You are probably a smart guy, but not as smart as you think you are. I KNOW for a fact a couple of 4*+ recruits that liked FSU but went somewhere else because they wanted to play in the SEC.

Wow. That's a bold claim boss. I'm dying for you to prove it.
11/27 8:08 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Deerfuel2:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:
While we do get our share of top recruits, there are at least a handful we miss out on because of our conference. Kids make their decisions based on many factors...proximity to home, playing time, AND conference to name a few. Just saying that it can only get better if we affiliate with a stronger conference. No one can argue with that.
This is simply NOT TRUE. We DO NOT lose out on recruits for being in the ACC.

Gene himself will back me up on this.
You are probably a smart guy, but not as smart as you think you are. I KNOW for a fact a couple of 4*+ recruits that liked FSU but went somewhere else because they wanted to play in the SEC.

you can read it every year in recruiting updates.  
11/27 8:08 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by vanole35:


Originally posted by Deerfuel2:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:
While we do get our share of top recruits, there are at least a handful we miss out on because of our conference. Kids make their decisions based on many factors...proximity to home, playing time, AND conference to name a few. Just saying that it can only get better if we affiliate with a stronger conference. No one can argue with that.
This is simply NOT TRUE. We DO NOT lose out on recruits for being in the ACC.

Gene himself will back me up on this.
You are probably a smart guy, but not as smart as you think you are. I KNOW for a fact a couple of 4*+ recruits that liked FSU but went somewhere else because they wanted to play in the SEC.

you can read it every year in recruiting updates.  

Well then you're challenging Dot Com, as he was the one who told me we don't lose recruits because of the ACC. I believe him.
11/27 8:10 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct?  I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position.  I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion.  It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC.  Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

So i don't even get credit for them joining the conference in every other sport and 5 games in football? Now you're just being technical. I was one of the only ones that said it would happen. And it did.

And i agree. I don't think you should talk to people like they're idiots either.

I would agree, with the exception that the "technical" part, is at least 80% of what matters.  Financially anyways.
11/27 8:10 PM | IP: Logged

BTW, Ga Tech was in the SEC years ago; I believe they left the SEC in the mid 60's, probably over lower academic admission standards at other SEC schools.  FSU belongs in the SEC, not the Big 12. The TV people know that FSU is actually more popular nationwide than in the state of Florida.  We would actually give the SEC a bigger boost nationally in TV ratings than any other potential member.  Also, since SEC fans travel, no more worries about empty seats.  It's a win-win deal for us and the SEC.  The All Carolina Conference can keep their precious basketball first mentality as they go down the tubes.  Like it or not, football pays the bills.
11/27 8:12 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Deerfuel2:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:
While we do get our share of top recruits, there are at least a handful we miss out on because of our conference. Kids make their decisions based on many factors...proximity to home, playing time, AND conference to name a few. Just saying that it can only get better if we affiliate with a stronger conference. No one can argue with that.
This is simply NOT TRUE. We DO NOT lose out on recruits for being in the ACC.

Gene himself will back me up on this.
You are probably a smart guy, but not as smart as you think you are. I KNOW for a fact a couple of 4*+ recruits that liked FSU but went somewhere else because they wanted to play in the SEC.
Wow. That's a bold claim boss. I'm dying for you to prove it.
You write in absolutes fairly often, especially concerning this topic of recruits wanting to play in the SEC. Not sure why you think it's an impossibility that a kid would rather play at an SEC school than at FSU. 

Also, how tall are you?
11/27 8:12 PM | IP: Logged

Ill take the SEC or BIG 12 no matter which one, anyone would be an upgrade.
11/27 8:18 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Noiler:

You write in absolutes fairly often, especially concerning this topic of recruits wanting to play in the SEC. Not sure why you think it's an impossibility that a kid would rather play at an SEC school than at FSU. 

Also, how tall are you?
Give me one example. Just one. Where a recruit says: "i'm not going to FSU because they play in the ACC".

Would you like my other stats too?
11/27 8:19 PM | IP: Logged
Here's my point to Jimbo.... JUST WIN! Don't blame your loses on the conference it's not their fault you lost by a point to NC State. I really think if Jimbo want's to go to Tennessee they should let him go. I'm was tired of him as a head coach in waiting and think he was the main reason for the fall of Bobby Bowden, but let's not get into that. When you can't perform the job as requested and then want to claim you are unhappy because of the conference affiliation when you were hired to do the job in this conference and you have been unable to go undefeated in the ACC. (THIS!) How many years has it been since we were undefeated in the ACC. Is it because we don't have the talent... ummm 4 straight top 5 recruiting finishes. I don't think so. Maybe it's coaching... the job of the coach is to teach and get the most out of his players. Has he done that?
11/27 8:19 PM | IP: Logged
Dot had many updates last year saying to not believe the realignment talks as FSU has not made any moves to leave the conference. We already pay for this premium board so there is no reason to make anything up. He is very reliable so I am praying that these rumors he is hearing come to fruition.

The best case scenario is obviously the SEC with any other team (UNC/Va Tech/Clemson/G. Tech).

The 2nd best scenario would be the Big 12 going to 16 with a lot of Eastern teams. I don't think conferences like 14 which is why you are hearing rumblings of the Big 10 and SEC adding 2 more soon. This would be the ideal Big 12 division.

Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
Clemson
Pitt
Louisville
WVU
TCU or Iowa St

It would essentially be most of the top football schools in the ACC plus WVU and another school. You would also have a stronger other division, better bowls, a partnership with the ACC and more money.
11/27 8:27 PM | IP: Logged
Correction to triciafoster.  Yes GT is founding member of the SEC (1933).  They left in the mid 60's over a big feud between Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant over special treatment Bama got from officials - particularly with regard to one personal foul that the refs would not call.  Acrimony was very high and GT left the SEC - but it wasn't because of academics.  GT stayed independent for a few years, tried to get back into the SEC but was rejected, joined the non-football metro conference with FSU in 1976 and then dropped that for the ACC in 1978.  It is not inconceivable that they have some old time booster money that would prefer being in the SEC - GT does not need conference affiliation for its academic status.  
11/27 8:27 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Noiler:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Deerfuel2:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by dlowe01:
While we do get our share of top recruits, there are at least a handful we miss out on because of our conference. Kids make their decisions based on many factors...proximity to home, playing time, AND conference to name a few. Just saying that it can only get better if we affiliate with a stronger conference. No one can argue with that.
This is simply NOT TRUE. We DO NOT lose out on recruits for being in the ACC.

Gene himself will back me up on this.
You are probably a smart guy, but not as smart as you think you are. I KNOW for a fact a couple of 4*+ recruits that liked FSU but went somewhere else because they wanted to play in the SEC.
Wow. That's a bold claim boss. I'm dying for you to prove it.
You write in absolutes fairly often, especially concerning this topic of recruits wanting to play in the SEC. Not sure why you think it's an impossibility that a kid would rather play at an SEC school than at FSU. 

Also, how tall are you?
Napoleonic
11/27 8:29 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by osceola63:

Napoleonic
And i'm part French. Does that blow your mind old man?
11/27 8:34 PM | IP: Logged
Dang Borasch, I've rarely seen so many posters try to tell somebody to stop being so arrogant, cocky and self indulgent. And your response is...to double down.
11/27 8:36 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

You didn't read my post clearly. ATM turned things around with a coaching change (Sumlin). Do you see Jimbo going anywhere anytime soon? Better question, If Jimbo hires an OC who do you think he would hire? It would be someone who ran the same type of offense Jimbo runs currently. That's not improving if that's the road we take. FSU can improve but the other teams in the SEC will also. We are behind 4-5 teams right now in the SEC. Do you see us improving enough to overtake them all? FSU has been slumping for 12 years and this was suppose to be our year. 10-2 with this crap schedule would be 7-5 or 8-4 this year in the SEC. If we played UF schedule this year we are 8-4 at best. ATM, UGA, LSU, USCe, and UF on the same schedule would equal 4 losses. Is 8-4 ok just because we in the SEC?



Florida State will always win.  They have not had a losing season in 24 years, I think.   They are blessed to be in a state with more D1 prospects, along with Texas,  than any state in the south.  Average coaching will get 8 wins, no matter what conference.   Very few teams can say that.   They will always have above average talent.   When they have elite coaching,  jury is not totally out on Jimbo,  they will produce teams like Alabama.   Even in years where they lose 4 games,  it will be more exciting than a 10 win season in the ACC.   Also,   if they get to the championship game with the ACC schedule they had this year,  very well could still be untested and face a team that will beat them.   I think if they get to the championship game through the SEC,  they will be tested and ready for the challenge.
11/27 8:38 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:
Dang Borasch, I've rarely seen so many posters try to tell somebody to stop being so arrogant, cocky and self indulgent. And your response is...to double down.
Meh, i'm ok with that. You see arrogance. I see confidence.

You people take this internet stuff way too seriously. Besides...i've been the one who's been personally attacked and you don't see me bitching and complaining. I'm being a smart ass and making jokes. Continue to judge me though without knowing me. It's all good. I've been sick today too, i've got to do something.'


This post was edited on 11/27 8:41 PM by 71/BORASCH/06

11/27 8:40 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:
Dang Borasch, I've rarely seen so many posters try to tell somebody to stop being so arrogant, cocky and self indulgent. And your response is...to double down.
Meh, i'm ok with that. You see arrogance. I see confidence.

You people take this internet stuff way too seriously. Besides...i've been the one who's been personally attacked and you don't see me bitching and complaining. I'm being a smart ass and making jokes. Continue to judge me though without knowing me. It's all good. I've been sick today too, i've got to do something.'


This post was edited on 11/27 8:41 PM by 71/BORASCH/06


Agreed. I mean, it's not like you forgot you didn't go to Harvard or something.
11/27 8:42 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by goldmom:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:
Dang Borasch, I've rarely seen so many posters try to tell somebody to stop being so arrogant, cocky and self indulgent. And your response is...to double down.
Meh, i'm ok with that. You see arrogance. I see confidence.

You people take this internet stuff way too seriously. Besides...i've been the one who's been personally attacked and you don't see me bitching and complaining. I'm being a smart ass and making jokes. Continue to judge me though without knowing me. It's all good. I've been sick today too, i've got to do something.

Agreed. I mean, it's not like you forgot you didn't go to Harvard or something.
Exactly.
11/27 8:45 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by Teema:
I continue to hope FSU is welcomed into the SEC.  This is where the university belongs.   I find the comment about Georgia Tech and the Atlanta market quite strange.  I live in Dunwoody and the area is practically all UGA fans and alumni.  The media is just about all UGA as well.  I can't see GT and their small fan base ever pulling in much television revenue.I feel either Clemson or NC State would be the better choice.

Thanks Alabama.  Perhaps we should play them in 2014.




You know how to spot the widow at a Dunwoody funeral?


She is the one with the black tennis dress on.

11/27 8:46 PM | IP: Logged
FSU in the SEC will increase SEC viewership as we are a National Brand. I hope the SEC works out
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11/27 9:12 PM | IP: Logged
When you have so many powerful and proven HC's in the Big-12, there is no way we would be better than a middle-of-the-pack Big 12 school... but you know what?   I'd take that any day over winning the All-but Crippled Conference. 
11/27 9:28 PM | IP: Logged

Amen Noiler. Let it become the All Carolina Conference and be a basketball and badmiton power.
11/27 10:06 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by snonole:






Originally posted by Teema:
I continue to hope FSU is welcomed into the SEC.  This is where the university belongs.   I find the comment about Georgia Tech and the Atlanta market quite strange.  I live in Dunwoody and the area is practically all UGA fans and alumni.  The media is just about all UGA as well.  I can't see GT and their small fan base ever pulling in much television revenue.I feel either Clemson or NC State would be the better choice.

Thanks Alabama.  Perhaps we should play them in 2014.







You know how to spot the widow at a Dunwoody funeral?


She is the one with the black tennis dress on.





11/27 10:12 PM | IP: Logged
Borasch, I typically agree with you on most things, but I have reservations about our President and BOT really making the right choices.  I am afraid they are so hung up on this academic prestige garbage that they will follow a sinking league into a major diminishment of our program.  I don't think some of them really grasp how being part of a league that is crumbling (with regards to programs that care very little about football) is going to put us in a bind that we may never totally climb out of.  Furthermore, I don't think they truly grasp how so many boosters and fans are concerned that we continue to move further and further away from our real and natural rivals (who are all flourishing in bucks and perception).  

I do hope you are right about this.  And I can only hope that if opportunity hits us in the face we don't blow it.  At this point I have big doubts.  
11/27 10:30 PM | IP: Logged
SEC would be a great fit..Wonder what the legal timeline is going to be (with Maryland and its fee)?
11/27 10:30 PM | IP: Logged



Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:




Originally posted by Noiler:

You write in absolutes fairly often, especially concerning this topic of recruits wanting to play in the SEC. Not sure why you think it's an impossibility that a kid would rather play at an SEC school than at FSU. 

Also, how tall are you?


Give me one example. Just one. Where a recruit says: "i'm not going to FSU because they play in the ACC".

Would you like my other stats too?


Brandon Miller
11/27 10:32 PM | IP: Logged
I find your comments about the Big 10, BC, and Georgia Tech a little hard to accept.   Boston College is not a member of the American Association of Universities.  That is supposedly a huge deal to the B1G.  Maryland and Rutgers are both AAU members.  Every school in the B1G, except Nebraska is a member of the AAU. 

Nebraska was a member when the B1G offered, then lost its status due to insufficient research funds.   Supposedly, Nebraska is trying to get back in, since the AAU did not inlcude agricultural research dollars.  The B1G did not make an exception for Nebraska, at least on paper.

Also BC is a relatively small private school.  With the exception of Northwestern, every school in the B1G is a major state university.

BC does have a potentially nice TV market, but that is it. 

As to GaTech, they fit all of the B1G criteria, except one.  B1G commissioner Delany made a very big deal out of the fact that both Maryland and Rutgers were in states contiguous to the league footprint (Pennsylvania).  (BC is also not contiguous to any B1G state)

GaTech is nowhere near the borders of a B1G state and I kind of doubt that Delany would make a major point and then a few weeks later go in a completely different direction.  Maybe, but he would look very silly.

UVa, on the other hand does meet all of the B1G criteria.  American Assoc Universities, great academics, major state school, contiguous to Maryland, and probably a fair number of TV eyeballs.   Would Virginia state legislators let UVa leave the ACC without being sure that VaTech had a good place to go?  Would they be comfortable that VaTech would have the SEC or Big 12 as a fallback?  Remember UVa forced VaTech into the ACC during the first attack on the Big East.

If UVa is a B1G target, who would be the second target?  Would Georgia Tech then be almost contiguous?

Other than the further destruction of the ACC, this does not really effect FSU much.  

This post was edited on 11/27 10:36 PM by abco834

11/27 10:32 PM | IP: Logged
Teema is spot on.  I have spent the better part of my life either living in, or working in the metro Atlanta area.  I have been to over 100 GT games over the years (I am a truly loyal Nole, so don't get this troll or bandwagon stuff here), and many close friends are GT boosters and alums.  GT hasn't been a big part of the fan footprint frankly since they abandoned the SEC in the early 60s.  If they are brought into any league, it won't be about getting the Atlanta TV market, it is and will be decidedly UGA and SEC.  In fact, go to other parts of the state and they barely know they exist.  
11/27 10:41 PM | IP: Logged If I make a controversial remark, can I get everyone to talk about me?

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Originally posted by vanole35:


Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct?  I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position.  I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion.  It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC.  Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

I would agree, with the exception that the "technical" part, is at least 80% of what matters.  Financially anyways.



Yep, technically ND just parked their non-revenue sports in the acc to make scheduling easier for them. Glad we could help.  In the ACC that's a win cause that's how we roll. 

It's that kind of out of the box thinking that has lead the conference brain trust to focus on adding small market, non-football schools that will, at best, result in a minor increase to the 20% of the TV contract related to BBall which can then be divided up 14 or 16 ways. Can't wait for FSU to get their 0.002% increase next year. Hoo-rah!  



 

This post was edited on 11/27 11:22 PM by RTM58

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I do not think that you understand the TV markets involved, or the economics.

The Big East is a basketball conf and a total joke.  They never were going to maximize the value of the potential TV eyeballs.

Surveys have shown (and you can Google this and find it) that Rutgers is the most popular college football team in New York City, even in a lousy league with generally weak (or very weak) teams.  Check out the rating on ESPN college football games in NYC.  The five highest rank games on ESPN in NYC all were Rutgers games.  The market in NYC and surrounding New York State is well over 10 million viewers.

That does not include New Jersey, where RU is, of course the State University, with close to another 8 million.

The way that the B1G TV network works is that they try to get much much more per viewer when there is a local team.  I believe that right now the B1G network probably gets about 10 cents per viewer in NJ and NY.  When they have local teams they get 70 cents or so.   There is a potential of maybe an extra 10 million (or more) TV sets on cable networks that would pay much more per month.

In addition, Fox Sports is the Big Ten's partner in the B1G network.  Fox Sports is making a move to buy the YES Network, which carries the Yankees, Knicks and Rangers.  The rumor is that they are going to try to force cable networks to ante up the B1G network in order to get YES.

Your friend who gets the B1G Network does not know it, but he is probably paying about ten cents per month.  That could increase by at least 50 cents per month.  Your friend will not know it, unless there is a big fight and his cable co refuses to go along.  if a deal is made, all your friend will know is that his cable bill went up again.


It has been calculated (and not by me) that the addition of RU to the B1G network could eventually be worth $100 million per year to the network.  The projections are that the new B1G contract in 2017 could pay as much as $40 million per team.  The B1G would not have invited UMd and RU if they did not think that they brought value to justify those schools getting that much money. 

Of course, taking UMd, geographically splitting the ACC in half and destabilizing the ACC might be payback for the ACC accepting the deal with Notre Dame.  The BIg Ten has always planned on Notre Dame leaving the Big East and coming to where it belongs, in the B1G.  It must have been a pretty big shock when ND went another way, so that made attacking the ACC a good idea.  If the ACC is destabilized and the football schools leave, then ND's deal with the ACC does not look that good.
11/27 11:28 PM | IP: Logged All you people have no clue what you are talking about, 10-2 is what good, great? 11-1 would have been what ? It's about the games being intriguing. Whether it's Miami VT, Clemson, or whomever. The NCST game was a finale but had me on the edge of my seat. Who can say we can't compete in the SEC is dead wrong. If we enter 12-0 or 8-4 or anywhere in between you want to be excited about it. Playing BC isn't exciting. Who cares about the record play the games

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Posted on 11/27 11:49 PM | IP: Logged

We need to go to the SEC!
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While a move to the SEC would mean a brutal schedule it would also mean a great leap in our ability to recruit. It is nothing short of miraculous that we have been as competetive in the state of Florida and Georgia when we are gonig up against SEC schools. The ACC is the new Big East and I believe that the North Carolinians including Swofford are very happy to be a basketball conference. They do not seem to realize that football is where the money is.
11/28 5:00 AM | IP: Logged Our league hurts us in recruiting.
I am a former track athlete at Florida State and was recruited by a number of SEC schools.
They used the SEC dominance in track in their recruiting of me.

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Originally posted by rancekay:
Our league hurts us in recruiting.
I am a former track athlete at Florida State and was recruited by a number of SEC schools.
They used the SEC dominance in track in their recruiting of me.
Yet you still went to FSU.
11/28 9:03 AM | IP: Logged

It was a close call but yes I chose Florida State and I am very happy with my decision.  However the coaches from others schools in the SEC schools used the quality of their league in their recruiting of me.  For some it will not make a difference, but for others it will.  Regardless, the quality of the league you are in has an impact on which school you choose.

I had a large number of smaller schools that recruited me also but I wanted to compete against the highest competition I could.  I am positive the quality of competition is a factor in a kids decision as to which school he attends.

I am not sure why anyone could think otherwise.
11/28 9:34 AM | IP: Logged SEC has bigger tv contracts...more media...more attention...bigger stage...hence more money...maybe why SEC is doing so well

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Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.



Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.




Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 
11/28 10:13 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by rancekay:

It was a close call but yes I chose Florida State and I am very happy with my decision.  However the coaches from others schools in the SEC schools used the quality of their league in their recruiting of me.  For some it will not make a difference, but for others it will.  Regardless, the quality of the league you are in has an impact on which school you choose.

I had a large number of smaller schools that recruited me also but I wanted to compete against the highest competition I could.  I am positive the quality of competition is a factor in a kids decision as to which school he attends.

I am not sure why anyone could think otherwise.
Well, there you have it.
11/28 10:29 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 

No proof that can be linked. Like the "gentleman's agreement" in the SEC.
11/28 10:31 AM | IP: Logged
Any thoughts on Louisville being added to the ACC and its affect on us leaving?
11/28 10:34 AM | IP: Logged

Also, Saben does not feel that FSU is a threat, even though we beat them the last time we faced them.
11/28 11:43 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by RUP1411:
Any thoughts on Louisville being added to the ACC and its affect on us leaving?
It means Clemson won't be as mad as I wanted them to be if UCon was added.
11/28 12:41 PM | IP: Logged
Doesn't matter who they add to the ACC ... this conference is an anchor for FSU... one that is dragging us to the bottom of the ocean. When a No.3 team loses by 1 point and drops 10 in the polls, then never recovers over a period of 6 games with every other team below them losing some not once but twice and some getting blown out by non-rated teams and still remaining below us in the rankings should be a big clue to how big this anchor is. It's time to jump ship before it sinks into an abyss
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11/28 12:54 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct?  I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position.  I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion.  It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC.  Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

So i don't even get credit for them joining the conference in every other sport and 5 games in football? Now you're just being technical. I was one of the only ones that said it would happen. And it did.

And i agree. I don't think you should talk to people like they're idiots either.

You talk like that's a good deal for us.  It's a crappy deal for us. How in the world do you not see that?  It's further confirmation we are the new Big East. 2.5 games a year does not mean a whole lot, and it gives ND all the non-revenue sport stability it needs to stay independent.
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in regards to recruiting and the impacts of being in the ACC...

I wont side either way.  But i would add that it may not be as clear as FSU vs. UF..."Im going to UF, cause FSU is in the ACC".  It may be something like in December of your junior year of high school, when you are sorting through your shoe box of letters, and Michael L calls you to do an interview, and asks you your top 5, and you name 5 SEC schools (ultimate run on sentence).  We may be eliminated at a point where it has yet to reach the level of "recruiting battle".
11/28 1:04 PM | IP: Logged Saban realized we would pull from Auburn and GA recruits...more than we do now..if we are in the SEC. Sounds good, going with it.

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Originally posted by whomp1111:


Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you?   Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.



Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.




Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this. 

Agreed.  This is the broad absolute statement with NO backup whatsoever I have seen in a long time.

What's funny, is that not only is there no factual basis for it, it's directly opposite of what both ND and Swoffard said.

It's one thing to speculate that there was some other deal in place (I believe such speculation is born of nothing more than a belief that it *has* to be true because the ACC simply can't have been *that* clueless, but I both disagree and digress); it's another thing to claim it as fact with nothing to base the claim on and when you have to assume both the ACC and ND are liars.
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