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great thread. thanks, guys.




Posted on 1/17 8:01 PM | IP: Logged

Mats are basically non-stop agility drills that occur before the break of dawn. Three main areas. One was outside under the stadium and consisted of running type drills (Coach Van, "get those glutes"). The second was on the old basketball court and consisted of a shuttle type drill (Mickey), jump rope and one station I can't remember. The third was the real mat drills that consisted of monkey rolls and other type of agility drills (Amato). All but a few of the drills always began and ended with being in "football position" while chopping your feet. You also had to sprint through for a few yards at the end. If you didn't do it perfect, the whole group had to go back.

In fact, I believe the morning began with everyone assembling on one room for stretching and then getting in the perfect football position while chopping your feet. Can't remember if it ended that way as well. Just doing that made your legs burn.

There were trash cans everywhere, and people used them.





Posted on 1/17 8:39 PM | IP: Logged

Former players: awesome thread. Thanks for sharing this info with those of us who only dreamed of wearing the Garnet & Gold. We saw the "glory"--interesting to read about the guts it took, too...



Posted on 1/17 9:03 PM | IP: Logged

I have to say this thread is bringing back some memories. I was one of the fat guys that in the third period of the drills was wondering how in the hell the Wr's and DB's were moving that fast. I will say I watched a guy in my line run off the mat and straight into the wall. He did not put his hands up to block it, he was actually trying to knock himself out but it did not work. I would have laughed but was too tired at the time, but rest assure we still rip on that guy to this day! I think one key difference now also is the rule changes the NCAA has placed on Two-a-Days. Many of players due to injuries would have to go double duty in scrimmages morning and evening and then be ready to do it at the same intensity the next day. I always thought that was harder than Mats, but I was a lineman we did not get to put the different colored jerseys on. I am curious how we have handled the rule changes because that is last and final opportunity to get better and ready for the season. Has to be the most critical time for a football team. That's just my opinion but every one has one and they usual all stink.



Posted on 1/17 9:26 PM | IP: Logged

nolewr,

On the day that DD died, do you remember what other players were in his group, and what specific coach(es) were directing the drill? Just curious. Thanks.

Posted on 1/17 9:52 PM | IP: Logged

Another question:

When I was a freshman, I took basketball coaching in the gym inside the Moore Center. Did that get torn out with the remodel, or did they just turn that into the "turf room"? Along those lines, what the heck is the "turf room"??!!



Posted on 1/17 10:19 PM | IP: Logged

Hey Osceola Guys!!

I vividly remember a story you guys did about a guy in the athletic department who went through Mat Drills so that he could report on just how hard they were.

Is there any way to find that article in the archives and re-post it?



Posted on 1/17 10:21 PM | IP: Logged

a matt drill is basically like this. walk up to mickey, kick him in the balls and slap his mother...then ask him what he is going to do about it!



Posted on 1/17 10:38 PM | IP: Logged

Look at the movie "The Junction Boys" I TRULY think we need that type of dedication to rise back the the cream of the crop and I think that some things need to be adjusted to bring back that yoeman like attitude...WE WIN BECAUSE WE WORK HARDER THAN ANYONE ELSE THEREFORE ANY ANY FIELD WE HOLD THE HELMETS OVER AND WALK ACROSS WITH ALL THAT SWAGGER WAS EARNED WELL BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED!" I think this is the message I would rather have on our team!!

This post was edited on 1/17 11:15 PM by c691027

Posted on 1/17 11:12 PM | IP: Logged

They are NO DIFFERENT than the drills used in the military by Drill Sergeants or Black Hat Instructors...or the SEALS where you go continually until you pass or ring the bell....maybe we should have a bell like the SEALS do...I think that would tell all team members where you stand and who you can rely on every day in a football struggle!!

Posted on 1/17 11:15 PM | IP: Logged

Wrong in reference to other teams....THere is a great article I read about Meyer and his mat drills and the kids talking about how tough they are. If I find it I will post it.

This post was edited on 1/18 9:33 AM by btillman



Posted on 1/18 9:27 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by teapotfsu:
If they are a not mentally tough enough to take on and get thru mat drills I don't want them wearing garnet and gold.


couldnt have said it better.



Posted on 1/18 9:51 AM | IP: Logged

In response to the poster said that FSU is the only school that does Mat Drills, thats absolutely ridiculous. I would bet that every single D-1 school does something almost identical to Mat Drills. They probably arent called that or do they have the same drills, but its the same thing. And offensive lineman did not skip Mats last year. They went through the actual Mat station (the toughest) and then went downstairs for high volume low rest lifting. I also dont think it was Josts decision soley and probably more like McHale and his idea combined.



Posted on 1/18 10:28 AM | IP: Logged

I agree on bringing back the intensity, by the way I believe DD also had ephedrine in his system.



Posted on 1/18 1:25 PM | IP: Logged

That wouldn't surprise me seeing as ephedrine was legal at the time and has since been taken off the shelf when they realized it isn't safe.

Posted on 1/18 2:04 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by SCNole78:
I agree on bringing back the intensity, by the way I believe DD also had ephedrine in his system.


No, he did not. That is a fact. That was speculation before the results of the autopsy came in. The autopsy did not show any ephedra in his system.

This post was edited on 1/18 3:29 PM by nolewr



Posted on 1/18 3:28 PM | IP: Logged

I thought the reason he died was he had a heart defect.

Posted on 1/18 3:43 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by stanton:
I thought the reason he died was he had a heart defect.


Does it really matter? Let him rest in peace. There is no need to drag up the fine details other than we should remember him and never forget this incident.

This post was edited on 1/18 4:25 PM by tano01



Posted on 1/18 4:25 PM | IP: Logged

I wonder if Trickett will contribute any new twists to the existing mat drills. I'll bet he learned some nasty mental and physical conditioning techniques in the Corps. Amato, Mickey, or Trickett? On whose station would you want to be working before dawn?

Posted on 1/18 4:48 PM | IP: Logged

"Does it really matter? Let him rest in peace. There is no need to drag up the fine details other than we should remember him and never forget this incident."

Um, o-kay. Not sure how talking about the accident somehow prevents DD from "resting in peace."

Posted on 1/18 5:09 PM | IP: Logged

nolewr: Thank you for an excellent post. Also thanks to dixie and lulu.



Posted on 1/18 7:11 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by stanton:
I thought the reason he died was he had a heart defect.


No, there was no heart defect either. That was another speculation prior to the autopsy results. The only abnormality was "sickle-cell trait," which is really not super uncommon in those of African descent. There is some evidence that those with sickle-cell trait are less resistant to cardiac arrhythmia when the body is under heavy stress. The heavy stress put him in that situation, and the cardiac arrhythmia took his life. In other words, there was really nothing major wrong with him and he simply worked himself to death. Tragic.



Posted on 1/18 8:17 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by True Blood:
Mat drills are the dumbest thing Bowden does. Do you realize how many recruits we've lost over the years because of mat drills? A lot of recruits have chosen UF and UM over us strictly because of mat drills.


Trueblood: Are you sure about this-what's your source? I'm not to familiar with UF and Miami's off season workout but judging from the product on the field I bet that these schools have their own version of "mat drills".

Posted on 1/18 9:04 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Arlo3:

Originally posted by True Blood:
Mat drills are the dumbest thing Bowden does. Do you realize how many recruits we've lost over the years because of mat drills? A lot of recruits have chosen UF and UM over us strictly because of mat drills.


Trueblood: Are you sure about this-what's your source? I'm not to familiar with UF and Miami's off season workout but judging from the product on the field I bet that these schools have their own version of "mat drills".

I promise you, they do.



Posted on 1/18 10:48 PM | IP: Logged

Stanton, Coach Gladden was running Mats the day DD passed.





Posted on 1/19 9:53 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Bud Fox:
Stanton, Coach Gladden was running Mats the day DD passed.




A single coach doesn't run the mats station. Let's not involve names though, please.



Posted on 1/19 11:21 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by stanton:
nolewr,

On the day that DD died, do you remember what other players were in his group, and what specific coach(es) were directing the drill? Just curious. Thanks.


not the most appropriate question asking which coach ran the drill..



Posted on 1/19 11:53 PM | IP: Logged

espy,

Just wondering about your judgmental statement. Why is it "not appropriate" to ask a question on a message board what players and/or coaches were directly involved in a tragic accident that has greatly affected FSU (and probably still does)?

Posted on 1/20 10:27 AM | IP: Logged

Stanton, I agree with you 100%.

Who made anyone the moral authority here??

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the subject, IMHO.

Bud



Posted on 1/20 11:42 AM | IP: Logged

To be totally honest, I do think we should reinstate the unlimited "thumbs down" policy and have everyone go back to the front of the line like before. I will never forget DD's death and think we should be careful, but we've got to fight like we used to. I think the new blood on the staff will help a lot with that -- the new coaches won't be as hesitant to push guys to their breaking point because of bad memories.

As far as the water breaks, I think we should keep them -- that should be enough to keep everyone safe. We should just work harder between them.
This post was edited on 1/15 9:08 PM by nolewr

Excellent Post! Agree 100%




Posted on 1/20 11:52 AM | IP: Logged

UM doesn't have a matt drill. Mickey use to always say that we were working while they were coming in from a night on South Beach.



Posted on 1/20 2:22 PM | IP: Logged

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